Astra zeneca and EU?

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I can understand people’s reluctance and their scepticism.
With the greatest respect to those with their own fears for whatever reason, I would like to put forward a voice of reason and point out the absolutely miniscule risk of death as a result of having the AstraZeneca vaccine compared to the much higher risk of death if you do not have the vaccine.

From the most recent figures, the UK has seen 1,848 deaths per million of our population attributed to Covid-19. (Source: COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer )
That is of course so far.
Sadly more will come.
Compare that to one death in the UK caused by a cerebral sinus vein thrombosis from 11 million who have had the AZ vaccine (see link below; we won’t for now delve into how many of 11 million people would normally die from CSVT without being first vaccinated).
So a risk of death of around 0.1/million vs 1,848/million.
Those figures look pretty convincing to me.

(Between three and ten women per million die as a result of a thrombosis which is attributable to taking the contraceptive pill, for comparison.)

This vaccine rollout is being put under the microscope just in case problems arose, mostly as a result of the speed at which it was developed and approved for use.
That’s why incidents are being reported.
As such any theorizing that problems post-vaccination aren’t being reported have to be taken with a very large pinch of salt IMHO.

Suggesting that most reports are coming from other countries is an odd statement too because there are many more countries using the AZ vaccine than us, so surely it’s logical to assume that it is more likely for reports to come from elsewhere?

Here’s the stats from the UK as reported by the BBC:
[B]"In the UK, five cases of cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CSVT), among 11 million people who have received the vaccine, occurred in men aged between 19 and 59. One of these was fatal.

The EMA has received an additional 13 reports of CSVT."[/B]

Again: I’m not pooh-pooing the undoubtedly genuine fears of others.
There might even be something to the idea that some problems aren’t being reported and/or recorded, but I would point out that it’s pretty certain that hospitalisation and more-so a death would be closely-examined for an attributable cause.
Certainly here in the UK.

Enough people here in Britain and around the world are suffering the consequences of this horrible killer disease and will, sadly, continue to do so for some time to come yet.
IMHO we are fortunate to have the opportunity to greatly reduce our own risk of becoming one more statistic.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/update-on-the-safety-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca.html

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#20
No shame.

 Despite these failures, the Brussels-based institutions appear to have taken solid preparations to vaccinate their own officials.

The European Commission, Council of the EU and European Parliament are now set to open their vaccination centres for officials and MEPs.

Until now, jabs had mainly been available to healthcare workers and care home residents.

The three main EU institutions have built up their own facilities to administer vaccinations, which will officially count as Belgian vaccination centres, receiving doses from local authorities even if the jabs will be accessible exclusively to those employed by the EU institutions.

EU is nothing but a another name for a Fourth Reich.

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AstraZeneca said it now expects to deliver revenue growth in the “low-teens” percentage over 2021.

But it said the guidance does not incorporate any revenue or profit impact from sales of the Covid-19 vaccine, and that it intends to report these sales separately from the next quarter.

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With all due respect to you OGF, heart attacks can be caused by reasons other than blood clots. This is what the Mayo Clinic’s website has to say:

[i]A heart attack occurs when the flow of blood to the heart is blocked. The blockage is most often a build-up of fat, cholesterol and other substances, which form a plaque in the arteries that feed the heart (coronary arteries).

Sometimes, a plaque can rupture and form a clot that blocks blood flow. The interrupted blood flow can damage or destroy part of the heart muscle.[/i]

Link → Heart attack - Symptoms & causes - Mayo Clinic

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Surely, the ordinary people living in the EU countries must be aware of this, unless their press is heavily moderated.
I can’t believe that if they know about it they are not all up in arms.

I can believe the reaction if that had happened in this country there would have been riots.

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I agree. In fact, it’s frightening when you think of how many things can go wrong with the human body. Unfortunately, not all of them can be cured either, even with today’s advances in medicine.

I’m glad I gave up smoking, but I know I should exercise more.

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Maybe protests, but NEVER riots JBR !
otherwise we would be out of the EU by now ??

Donkeyman!
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Are you breathing?; do you have a heartbeat?

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Oh, I don’t know. What about the ‘yellow vests’ doing all their good work in Paris?

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To save space I’ve edited your post Zaphod…Sorry…

But in your quote, which I’ve entered in bold…I believe that my chances of catching the virus are miniscule, and even if I did catch the virus, I also believe that my chances dying from the virus are even more miniscule, therefore, I see no reason to add any further risk for an illness that I will never suffer from…I have never had the flu jab, and it was a good decision, because I haven’t had the flu since 1995.

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Thanks for that Percy, all I know is…It’s not nice…:frowning:

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My heart attack occurred in my early fifties JB, and the general consensus among the physicians treating me during my five day stay in hospital was…Had I not been a runner for most of my adult life, I would be dead…You could say that exercise saved my life…:smiley:

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Well I’m a lazy bugger, and that has probably sealed my fate!

Actually, not entirely lazy. I’m no runner, but Marge and I go on walks now and again with a couple of friends. I’m fairly happy doing 3 or 4 miles.

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I must apologise for my response Percy, but it was late when I read your post, and time and tiredness prevented me from offering a suitable reply…:frowning:

The plaques that collect on the walls of arteries provide the right conditions to precipitate a heart attack (myocardial infarction) but it’s a blood clot that ultimately causes the blockage. The description you and the Mayo clinic have provided is only a very brief chapter in a very long book…And as with most news items and google information, it’s the things that are left out that are most important…

It’s going off subject, but I felt you deserved an appropriate reply Percy…
Cholesterol is good! but it’s been called out as the bad boy for obvious reasons. LDL and Triglycerides are sticky substances that adhere to artery walls restricting the flow of blood through the artery. They are not directly responsible for a heart attack, the plaques are more associated with ‘Angina’ which reduces the efficiency of the heart to deliver oxygen to the muscles and makes it very difficult to run, climb stairs, or other strenuous exercise…But they don’t block the artery completely, they cause inflammation in the artery wall, which cracks and bleeds. When the blood causing the bleed clots, it then blocks the restricted artery and this is a heart attack.
The first thing the paramedics will do upon their arrival on the scene will be to administer two large doses of aspirin to thin the blood and dissolve the blockage. Aspirin would be no use if the blockage was caused by plaque. The second thing they do is to administer adrenalin to dilate the arteries.

Cholesterol is used by the body to repair damage to the muscles following strenuous exercise, it also has numerous other jobs to attend to, including some jobs concerning the immune system…But I digress…High cholesterol is not the problem. Too much LDL and not enough HDL is the problem. The HDL wraps itself around molecules of LDL and prevents it from being sticky and adhering to artery walls. So the overall readings obtained from a cholesterol test are meaningless without a breakdown of LDL, HDL and other lipids, namely triglycerides.
A high reading of HDL would be very good, but would push up the overall reading above what is considered a safe level…

There are other causes of heart attacks, stress, bad diet, high blood pressure and some bacterial infections can cause the arteries to be inflamed, which ultimately leads to cracking and bleeding from the artery wall, hence a heart attack. One of the most important things to do post heart attack, is to keep blood pressure down and reduce the amount of platelets in the blood to prevent further clotting. This can be done by taking a low dose aspirin daily (as I do) or warfarin to thin the blood, but more modern anticoagulants are now available. Statins will lower all cholesterol, good and bad, and can cause muscle damage and joint pain, and as a runner I refuse to take statins, but it is a personal thing and should be based on individual circumstances, and most certainly after a doctors advice. This is also one of the reasons I have declined the vaccine.

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That’s good enough JB, any exercise is good exercise. :wink:

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Thanks for taking the time to provide an extensive reply OGF :023:

Regarding the AZ vaccine causing death by blood clots:

While waiting for Val to return to the car this morning I was listening to LBC radio. This geezer from the ONS (don’t know who) was saying that there have been 5 (yes, just five) reported cases of blood clots resulting from over 26 million doses of AZ vaccine given in the UK. Of these 5 cases, 4 of the people concerned went on to make a full recovery. Only ONE person is known to have died due to the vaccine causing a blood clot.

Given these statistics, the probability of getting a blood clot is 0.00000019 and for dying from the same it is 0.00000004, i.e. vanishingly small.

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No problem Percy…:023:
I had decided not to have the vaccine before it came to light about the blood clots…
I consider the possibility of catching covid the same odds as you described above Percy, including the odds concerning death from covid…Of course, if everyone is right about the vaccine and I catch covid and die, at least you won’t be able to say “I told you so!”…:wink:

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Astra Zeneca still under attack !!

It seems that the Oxford jab is still being investigated in EU and
also in USA, despite having passed all scientific tests previously
on both continents??
What could be the reason for this?
Could the fact that it is much cheaper than the alternatives have
anything to do with it?
It is cheaper due to AZ’s policy to supply the jabs on a costs only
basis in order to make it affordable to poorer nations, one can
only surmise this does not sit well with so called BIG PHARMA !!

Just asking??

Donkeyman!
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In Germany the AZ vaccine is being inoculated again after a short break. Nothing to do with costs, though. Just saying.

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Ta Dachs, though I suppose like many others I can’t help but wonder how many will refuse it after recent events.