No doubt about that, I fully agree. I wanted to express that in my opinion it is not right to reduce the possibility of assistance on cases with terminal illnesses. When (like in my second example above) somebody really finds that he has reasons for and wants to die (without being ill).
Then he might be examined by doctors and they might a “severe depression” or some similar medical term for a “mental illnes”.
That would then not be terminal and would have to be treated. The person would not get assistance consequently.
That was my point. Some (not involved) person can decide wether the suicidal person can get assistance. I do not find that correct.
What makes you think that? When a person decides to commit suicide (and does not make it public or tell anyone) then there is not much that the establishment can do to prevent that.
Not in Germany. Taken from " Federal Constitutional Court" (and translated using deepl.com):
On the ruling of the Second Senate of February 26, 2020
b) The right to self-determined death includes the freedom to take one’s own life. The individual’s decision to end his or her life in accordance with his or her understanding of quality of life and the meaningfulness of his or her own existence must be respected by the state and society as an act of autonomous self-determination.
c) The freedom to take one’s own life also includes the freedom to seek help from third parties and to make use of help where it is offered.
That must be one of those strange laws in the UK, I don’t know about other states but in NSW suicide is not illegal however it is an offence to aid or abet another person’s suicide or attempted suicide.
Making suicide illegal makes no sense whatsoever, if a person succeeds who are you going to prosecute? if they don’t succeed then no offence has been committed. Daft.
Voluntary Assisted Dying is not the same as suicide
Suicide in the Uk is legal. The law was repealed under section 2 Suicide Act 1961 it remains a criminal offence for a third party to assist or encourage another to commit suicide.
Well expressed M. Very brave.
It must have been a difficult one to publicly share.
One of the reasons that its less stressful for Kith and Kin. If.
DNR.[Do not Resuscitate] Is pre declared and registered with, such as the GP Practice.
Re The OT. Generally.
Be sure to check the implications of Suicide. In any form.
That may impinge on any Insurances, the deceased may have subscribed to.
Some Baulk and Convolute validity.
Very brave to share such a personal experience with the anonymous group which “we” are!
The question (take your husband home) at that point must have been too difficult to answer properly. There are yes’ and no’s, pro and contra.
At the end it will not have changed your husbands fate, independent of the decision to take him home.
Asking for assistance might have been a good idea from my experience.
My mother suffered from terminal cancer at the oesophagus. I was 24 then. She told her doctor that she did not want to suffocate and that something should be done. The doctor told me and my brother that we should let him know when “the time” came and he would “do something”.
The time came, I told him and he gave my mother a substance. Seconds later she had passed away. I was so grateful to the doctor for having given “us” the chance to do it this way. Believe me, it was my decision and I still suffer from it, more than thirty years later. Anyway it was the right decision.
From what you wrote you were alone at that time and had to go through that difficult process without help. That must have been a very very difficult time for you and maybe for your husband as well. One can only hope that your husband realized that you were around and caring for him.
I wished nobody had to go throught that…
I dont agree with that. I dont think VAD should be a ‘free for all’ - it should be subject to checks and controls and I agree with the criteria we have here.
“External Assistance. And its Implications”.
There’s Nothing more ‘Personal’ Than how we choose to leave this mortal coil.
IMO.With the Least impact on Family. Who know you best. Without highlighting harrowing implications to dwell on
“Ones Decision”.
The Least or No discussion emanating. Or reveled to those professionally involved with Health Care. They have. DNR. Recorded.
That should satisfy any Medical Personnel & Coroner. In the event of unavoidable hospitalisation.
We live our lives Privately, in the place best known. With Self Belief/Care and Actions taken. No change, when Demise with Dignity eminent.
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Dame Esther said that she had seen her husband, her mother and her dog die and that it was her dog’s death which she “envied”.
“Isn’t it typically British that we give the pets we love a pain-free, dignified, private death but we can’t offer it to the people we love.”
Speaking to the same programme, past president of the Association for Palliative Medicine Amy Profitt said people on both sides of the debate came from “a position of compassion - we all want to relieve suffering”.
She expressed concern about the proposal being debated saying that as a doctor she was not trained in law and could not “determine coercion”.
She said there could be another model which would involve lawyers and psychiatrists, adding: “If we are going to legalise the system, it can’t be in the NHS. It is deeply dangerous in health care and could be seen as cost-saving for the government.”
The petition being debated in Parliament urges the government to give MPs a vote on the subject and argues that “terminally ill people who are mentally sound and near the end of their lives should not suffer unbearably against their will”.
My dearest friend J has had life changing illness since January and her body has aged years , her quality of life not enjoyable now . When she went into hospital she talked to me about her end of life wishes written down and did not want cpr if her heart stopped , we talked a lot .she asked her sons to collect her papers from home etc etc . J had a large bruise on her chest when i visited a few days later , we all waited for her to pass away , even her sons sat with her 3 days . I saw the bruise and asked what it was and she said " they bumped my chest it seems " . According to her they brought her back , it seems the sons didnt show the end of life wishes to the doctors . I dont know the sons so unable to ask but that is what they told their mum .
