Anti Vaxxers Rubbish

[Realist]

@AnnieS

I’ve had the single vaccine and it was safe for me.

You had it, yet have absolutely no idea whether it is safe or not?! Right Oh.

[Mups]

@AnnieS

I was asking for your opinion given that you are always so forthcoming on information about vaccines. I take you don’t have any research on the single shot measles vaccine as you keep coming back with the same deflecting response. Why not admit that you don’t know?

Annie, promise me you won’t hold your breath waiting.

In fact, I believe you’d do much better saving your breath for chatting elsewhere rather than continuing here.
Let him rumble away to himself.

[AnnieS]

@Realist

Neither have I said anything of the kind either.

So what exactly is your point?

Take this to another thread please. Mods have already asked.

Thank you for finally admitting that you do not have any informed knowledge of the single measles shot. The thread is about measles vaccination uptake. I have suggested that a single jab should be made available to increase uptake. It’s safety is pretty relevant to the discussion. But it appears that nobody knows the safety record and efficacy of a stand alone measles vaccine relative to the mmr vaccine.

[Mags]

Once again a member has had his thread taken over and twisted by another to his own advantage so it has gone off topic.

Our apologies to you Swimfeeders, your thread didn’t stand a chance right from the second post.

Originally Posted by Realist →
Neither have I said anything of the kind either.

So what exactly is your point?

Take this to another thread please. Mods have already asked.

Your post was quoted Realist, it was you who was being asked to use the proper debate threads.

[Realist]

@AnnieS

Thank you for finally admitting that you do not have any informed knowledge of the single measles shot.

Deary me, how extremely childish. I have not admitted a single thing.

But YOU have most certainly proved to us you have absolutely no idea of the safety of the vaccine despite the fact that you unwittingly had it. Really bizarre behaviour TBH.

@AnnieS

The thread is about measles vaccination uptake. I have suggested that a single jab should be made available to increase uptake.

And no-one has disagreed with that at any stage.

@AnnieS

It’s safety is pretty relevant to the discussion. But it appears that nobody knows the safety record and efficacy of a stand alone measles vaccine relative to the mmr vaccine.

Least of all yourself !

However given there doesn’t appear to be any data or evidence supporting the safety of the single vaccine then why should anyone play Russian Roulette with their health by having it?

[Realist]

@Mags

Once again a member has had his thread taken over and twisted by another to his own advantage so it has gone off topic.

Our apologies to you Swimfeeders, your thread didn’t stand a chance right from the second post.

It hasn’t gone off topic at all imho.

Swims suggested that we should ban unvaccinated kids from schools or fine the parents for not having their kids vaccinated? And that “all those posting anti vaccination rubbish the full costs of treating those affected.”

His ideas were challenged (and he hasn’t yet been able to come back with any explanation of what banning unvaccinated kids from schools would achieve) and the rest of the nonsense was also refuted.

What followed was a discussion about the Measles vaccination and the related industry.

To be frank and fair, if someone is going to have a go at so-called “anti-vaxxers” then it’s right and logical that those not supporting vaccinations will respond. If he didn’t want them to then why start the thread?

[Mags]

@Realist

It hasn’t gone off topic at all imho.

Swims suggested that we should ban unvaccinated kids from schools or fine the parents for not having their kids vaccinated? And that “all those posting anti vaccination rubbish the full costs of treating those affected.”

His ideas were challenged (and he hasn’t yet been able to come back with any explanation of what banning unvaccinated kids from schools would achieve) and the rest of the nonsense was also refuted.

What followed was a discussion about the Measles vaccination and the related industry.

To be frank and fair, if someone is going to have a go at so-called “anti-vaxxers” then it’s right and logical that those not supporting vaccinations will respond. If he didn’t want them to then why start the thread?

No, you just don’t understand Realist, it was not a debatable thread. If you wanted a debate of YOUR views, start your own thread in that section (debate section, not self-mod section where you could get rid of any posts you didn’t like). Then those members here can post their own views on this topic here without getting pulled to pieces by you all the time.

[Realist]

@Mags

No, you just don’t understand Realist, it was not a debatable thread.

How can one post one’s views without that being discussion or debate? The difference lies only with the personal preferences and opinions of the mods . . . .

Swims should likely have started his thread in the discussion section of the forum.

Either way any “sensitive” topic (health, politics, religion etc) is going to result in discussion. Such is life.

[Mups]

To my way of thinking Realist, is you are incapable of stating your view and then leave it at that.
You have adequately demonstrated this time and time again.

I have never, ever known you say - “Well let’s beg to differ on this” and walk away.
You go on and on and on with your copy/paste lengthy posts and seem incapable of knowing when to call it a day and leave others to have their own views.

Why does it matter so much to you what others choose to do with their health?
Will their choices harm you? - No.
Will their decisions make a scrap of difference to your life? - No.
Can you not allow other members to have their own thoughts? - No.

Members should not have to make apologies, excuses, or give you their reasons for their choices, so for Christ’s sake get over it!

My apologies to you Mags & Meg, but enough is enough.
I feel it is so wrong for a completely unqualified person to try so hard to try and scare people off whatever healthcare they choose. It is no body else’s business but their own.

[Realist]

Sorry Mups but that is such a farcical fantasy post I just don’t know where to begin. . . .

“Why does it matter so much to you what others choose to do with their health?”

It doesn’t matter to me. People are always free to do what they want. Silly question.

“Will their choices harm you? - No.”

It doesn’t matter to me what their choices are. People are always free to do what they want. Silly comment.

“Will their decisions make a scrap of difference to your life? - No.”

It doesn’t matter to me. People are always free to do what they want.

“Can you not allow other members to have their own thoughts? - No.”

Again a silly comment. All posters have their own thoughts. They post theirs, I post mine. Simple as.

“Members should not have to make apologies, excuses, or give you their reasons for their choices, so for Christ’s sake get over it!”

Who is having to make apologies??? Or excuses??

People are simply posting views and at times it behoves people to support their views with meaningful source material.

“I feel it is so wrong for a completely unqualified person to try so hard to try and scare people off whatever healthcare they choose. It is no body else’s business but their own.”

No-one is trying to scare anyone off. A false personal jibe, quite uncalled for.

We are simply talking about vaccines. It’s really not difficult.

People are totally free to decide whatever they want. The more information they have, the more informed a decision they can make. End of.

[Mups]

Realist, every time you open your mouth lately, you are very unpleasant, insulting, and verging on bullying.

To quote just a few from the long list of the conceited comments or scare tactics you use:

1. We are ignorant.
2. We are brainwashed.
3. Vaccines kill.
4. You say about ‘heart rending stories’ of children being killed and/or injured.
5. Qualified hospital doctors are lying through their teeth.
6. If we put forward our own ideas we are told we are making ‘ridiculous statements’!
7. You told Twink if the conversation irks her, then stay out of the thread - as if it’s your thread!
8. You have also told others they talk ‘emotional drivel.’
9. Some of us who dare to offer an opinion are told they are ‘extremely childish.’

The list could go on and on, and it is crystal clear to me that you are on the wrong sort of forum for your needs.

I have said all I am interested in saying on this thread, so unlike you, I intend to walk away and leave you to stick pins in me.
It matters not one iota.

[Realist]

Sorry Mups but all that personal stuff cuts no ice with me at all.

Your rant of:

“Members should not have to make apologies, excuses, or give you their reasons for their choices, so for Christ’s sake get over it!”

pretty much sealed the deal for me. Just making stuff up to justify a personal rant at me. Genuinely not interested.

[AnnieS]

@Realist

Sorry Mups but all that personal stuff cuts no ice with me at all.

Your rant of:

“Members should not have to make apologies, excuses, or give you their reasons for their choices, so for Christ’s sake get over it!”

pretty much sealed the deal for me. Just making stuff up to justify a personal rant at me. Genuinely not interested.

Realist if nothing else this thread has proved how incredibly biased you are. You are not interested in exploring compromises. It’s all one way traffic. You have your own body, do with it what you will, but you don’t control everyone else’s.

[Realist]

@AnnieS

. You are not interested in exploring compromises.

Correct. I’m interested only in the facts, real evidential facts from respected medical bodies.

@AnnieS

You have your own body, do with it what you will, but you don’t control everyone else’s.

Of course I don’t control anyone else’s. I don’t seek to. Each to their own. I post what I do so people can make more informed decisions.

[Bruce]

@Realist

Brucey old son

I said that the entire vaccine industry is in ill repute. I gave 2 examples of why. You challenged my post, I refuted it stating that the leading medical research body has proved that the vaccine in question was snake oil.

Simple as.

If we want to limit discussion to Measles the I will come back, again, to the Cochrane Institute thus:

“A review of more than 60 MMR vaccine studies conducted for the Cochrane Library states, “The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate.” Because permanent sequalae (aftereffects) from measles, especially in individuals with normal levels of vitamin A, are so rare, the level of accuracy of the research studies available is insufficient to prove that the vaccine causes less death or permanent injury than measles.”

Which in laymans terms means simply that:

[size=3]“It has not been proven that the MMR vaccine is safer than measles”[/size]

That is quite an indictment of the industry imho

yet another re-writing of history

You really should change your name to Sophist, I am pretty sure that calling yourself ‘Realist’ must be an offence under the trade descriptions act.

[AnnieS]

@Realist

Of course I don’t control anyone else’s. I don’t seek to. Each to their own. I post what I do so people can make more informed decisions.

You try your best to try to convert others to your ideas using scare tactics.

Whilst it’s good to highlight risks in medicines it’s all relative. Take paracetamol, it’s seen as safe and effective, but in fact has a long list of adverse and negative reactions. There are more risks to taking other common pain killers such as ibuprofen etc. Should people here give up pain relief because of the risks? Or do they accept there are risks but that the pain relief is of such benefit that they are willing to accept risk?

For the majority of the population vaccinations are going to be the latter category. But I do think the MMR vaccine should be available in separate doses and they should do patch tests before administering anything containing a known allergen. The use of the combined jab is purely driven by financial considerations.

Most people accept there are risks with everything we do. We live in a dangerous world.

[Twink55]

@Bruce

yet another re-writing of history

You really should change your name to Sophist, I am pretty sure that calling yourself ‘Realist’ must be an offence under the trade descriptions act.

Thank you, your comment made me smile Bruce!

I never understand how anybody can offer advice when they do not know the persons health records & circumstances. The only person that I listen to is a doctor, that I feel I can trust, and so far they have done a good job.

If Realist believes that he only needs natural medicines, that is fine because it is his choice to make, but I just wish he would allow others to make their own choices, without bombarding them with his ideas.

If anybody is in doubt, they can ask a doctor of their choice, who can read their past medical history.

[Mups]

Morning Twink, I agree with you and Annie.

What bugs me is he says - " I post what I do so people can make more informed decisions."
But who has asked for him for help in the first place?

We are treated as if we are incapable of googling relevant information for ourselves.
I certainly don’t need a self-appointed tutor continually ramming his findings down my throat, and taking control of so many threads - do you?

[AnnieS]

It’s a pity because he could make a valuable contribution if he approached discussions differently.

[Realist]

@AnnieS

You try your best to try to convert others to your ideas using scare tactics.

Just appalling nonsense !!

You really do have a terrible habit of just inventing stuff up when you have run out of arguments.

I will say it again and keep saying it

I don’t care what anyone else does with their health, they must make their own choices. I don’t use scare tactics to present my views, I provide the facts, especially those from respected medical bodies. It’s up to each individual what they choose to do with that information.

Clearly there’s a tiny clique contingent here that have no interest in such information as they have made quite clear numerous times. I’m happy for them. Let them get on with their lives in the way they wish, no-one here is stopping them. No-one is trying to control them.

It does seem however that they wish to suppress such information from everyone else as if somehow this is their own personal forum and no-one else counts. There are 100s of members here and many very much appreciate the information and research I provide. It seems though that a tiny few are only interested in themselves.

No-one forces them to read any post, yet they keep doing so and then keep posting personal sleights and rants . . go figure !