Angela Rayner's lack of grammar

[Muddy]

@Maree

When I was doing a childcare course we were told if the children were playing up and not listening we should lower the tone of our voice

It was supposed to sound more authoritative and is why children sometimes respond better to men discipline wise

By the end of a day in the playgroup we all sounded like Louis Armstrong

Are you in the right thread Maree?

[Maree]

@Muddy

@Maree

When I was doing a childcare course we were told if the children were playing up and not listening we should lower the tone of our voice

It was supposed to sound more authoritative and is why children sometimes respond better to men discipline wise

By the end of a day in the playgroup we all sounded like Louis Armstrong

Are you in the right thread Maree?

I dunno, probably not, story of my life

I was replying to Ruthio’s post about Margaret Thatcher’s dulcet tones……

@ruthio

@Rhian

I worry someone might suggest elocution lessons, à la Thatcher

Her voice was high pitched and rather shrill.
She had lessons to lower the pitch.

You could say she learnt how to lower the tone

[Muddy]

Must be me then I knew what you were referring too I just seemed to see your post in another thread .

[Muddy]

@Boot

One of the words that Hansard asked Angela Rayner if they could change was when she used the phrase “less people” instead of the “grammatically correct” alteration to “fewer people”

‘Struth! I knew exactly what she meant - Most folk would have understood that “less” means “fewer” - wouldn’t they?!

The Pedants Revolt

[Maree]

@Muddy

@Boot

One of the words that Hansard asked Angela Rayner if they could change was when she used the phrase “less people” instead of the “grammatically correct” alteration to “fewer people”

‘Struth! I knew exactly what she meant - Most folk would have understood that “less” means “fewer” - wouldn’t they?!

The Pedants Revolt

Yes, I’m not at all convinced about Hansard changing what politicians actually said. And that sounds like quite a petty thing to quibble

I’d have thought nowadays a digital recording of all speeches would be kept anyway?

[JBR]

@Maree

Yes, I’m not at all convinced about Hansard changing what politicians actually said. And that sounds like quite a petty thing to quibble

I’d have thought nowadays a digital recording of all speeches would be kept anyway?

I agree. I think that Hansard should not attempt to correct the words that our politicians utter.
After all, it is a clear indication of their knowledge and standard of English and possibly of their general intelligence.
Excellent example (especially with regard to mathematics): Dianne Abbott!

[LongDriver]

@Omah

“Comprehensive Schools” had been introduced, which gave “late bloomers” a second chance.

This lack of early learning ability, or maybe even poor teaching skills, has been the downfall of far too many children and I believe it still exists in state schools right across our four nations. Our whole education system needs a thorough shake up asap.
Had Rayner not left school pregnant at 15/16, I wonder how she would have progressed differently in her life. IMO she has made the best out of a bad start.

[LongDriver]

An addendum to my above post.

A R said: "This is life, this is what I’m used to. In fact, I think it’s strange when people are nice. I find taking compliments more difficult than taking abuse, to be honest.

“I’ve never had love and affection, so I don’t crave it. That’s really sad, because I see how people can be fulfilled by those things”

This is indeed sad because the human spirit thrives on love and understanding. My grandparents provided it to me at every opportunity which helped make the man I am today, so perhaps I can now understand AR better and why she is the way she is. Her father was obviously an absentee which must also have been an influencing factor as well as her illiterate bipolar mother who went by pictures rather than reading.
Taking everything into consideration she has done exceptionally well👍

[Maree]

@LongDriver

An addendum to my above post.

A R said: "This is life, this is what I’m used to. In fact, I think it’s strange when people are nice. I find taking compliments more difficult than taking abuse, to be honest.

“I’ve never had love and affection, so I don’t crave it. That’s really sad, because I see how people can be fulfilled by those things”

This is indeed sad because the human spirit thrives on love and understanding. My grandparents provided it to me at every opportunity which helped make the man I am today, so perhaps I can now understand AR better and why she is the way she is. Her father was obviously an absentee which must also have been an influencing factor as well as her illiterate bipolar mother who went by pictures rather than reading.
Taking everything into consideration she has done exceptionally well👍

No, I don’t think her father was absent, but I don’t think he was kind or she had a good relationship with him. She once said in an interview in the Times

Describing a home without affection Ms Rayner said her mother ‘could only love one person at a time’ - and chose Ms Rayner’s father.

She said: "She couldn’t emotionally connect to us because of the bipolar disorder which made her unbalanced.

My dad would have done something that upset her and it would be as if her world had collapsed and everything had ended and she was in total crisis

She says her father was ‘shouty’ and sometimes ‘cruel’ and often scared her so much she would wet the bed then hide the sheets because she because she was frightened of being told off.

I’m wondering if there’s some sort of embargo about naming and reporting on him because that’s all I could find?