Angela Rayner's lack of grammar

Angela Rayner apparently does not want Hansard to correct her grammatical errors because doing so would take away her working class background. I personally do not agree with her sentiments as I am from a working class background but at least try to use the correct grammar. But I can see there is a gulf between me and academia. I was a PCC secretary for a church in Oxford in the university area. We once spent 30 minutes in a meeting debating if St Barnabas had an apostrophe after the ‘s’ , after the ‘a’ or none at all. This experience put me off applying for any college admin job. I decided to stick to factory based employment.

30 minutes of your life you will never get back .
I don’t believe in being pedantic over grammar but Angela Rayner needs to ditch her ingrained prejudices and start to look and sound like a leader .Cut that messy hair to a reasonable length or put it up and start acting like someone who might lead the country .


Why would you not want to be better?
Silly moo

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Sum’s it up nicely. :grinning:

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Funny thing is about the only thing I ever admired about Boris was his ability to pronounce ‘primarily’ correctly.
There’s no hope for me :rofl::rofl:

I think she should stay exactly as she is and speak exactly how she does. She has her own style and she’s a very clear direct communicator, grammar unimportant.

She doesn’t need to look or speak like Tory laydee

Hansard is a bit different though. Aren’t they there to tidy up everybody’s speeches and make sure the meaning is recorded clearly?

They must have a fine old time cutting out Johnson’s waffle

When Conservative politicians resort to class warfare, you know they’re rattled. Usually it’s the Labour Party that falls into this trap: trying to campaign on the so-called politics of envy, pointing out its opponents’ wealth, second homes, private schooling or general tendency to be “out of touch”.

It never works. Mainly because meritocratic values and a spirit of aspiration run deep within the British psyche: Don’t bash the rich, because one day I might be rich, too.

This is something I’d always assumed Tory ministers better understood than their opposite numbers. Yet the Deputy Prime Minister Dominic Raab walked right into it in PMQs last week. He intimated that a politician like Angela Rayner had no place attending Glyndebourne, the Sussex opera house, and accused her of being a champagne socialist.

“She was at the Glyndebourne music festival sipping champagne, listening to opera. Champagne socialism is back in the Labour Party.”

Oh, Dom. There are so many problems here – snobbery and sexism being the most obvious. Rayner, who was also recently accused by a Tory MP of not matching up to Boris Johnson’s “Oxford Union debating skills” in another sexist line of attack, gave a characteristically unruffled response:

“My advice to the Deputy Prime Minister is to cut out the snobbery and brush up on his opera. The Marriage of Figaro is the story of a working-class woman who gets the better of a privileged but dim-witted villain.”

Nice one, Angela … :+1: :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

No she doesn’t nor would one want her too but she needs to appeal to all .
She‘s not sorting coal at the pit brow and not all the working class speak in a rough uneducated manner.
As for looks hers Is a messy dated look for a woman of 40+ ( and that goes for others ie Mrs Johnson and Kate Middleton only carries it off because she keeps a hairdresser in the servants quarters )
We have just had one scruffy beggar as P.M that style is passé .

CJ, 34, middle-class and between 1999 and 2006 attended Godolphin and Latymer School, an independent day school for girls. She went to the University of Warwick to study Art History and Theatre Studies, graduating as BA (Hons) in 2009.

C, DoC, just 40, middle-class and educated at St Andrew’s School and Marlborough College before studying art history at the University of St Andrews in Scotland.

AR, 42, left school aged 16 whilst pregnant and without any qualifications.

What’s that got to do with anything ?
I was commenting on long hair ie very long hair if you are not doing very much -apart from being the appendage of men of position - it’s one thing ,( Art history and theatre studies give me a break )
if you intend to be leader of a political party , and it’s pretty clear that she does
look a bit more business like , of course it’s unfair a women gets judged on looks but there it is
For what it’s worth I think that she speaks pretty well but again I am not pedantic about grammar .

You were commenting on “a rough uneducated manner” and “a messy dated look for a woman of 40+”. Your opinion is “that style is passé”.

I was pointing out that, of your comparisons, only AR is “40+” and only AR comes from a non-privileged background.

You did not mention “long hair”.

IMO, your comparisons are both invalid and irrelevant.

AR became a grandmother in November 2017. CJ and C, DoC, have some way to go before they attain that status.

IMO Your post is typically pedantic not to mention nit picking .
One could say the DOC is 40 and a half and Mrs J is 38 so try getting your facts right .
It is not necessary to speak in a rough uneducated manner to qualify as working class this is a stereotype.I did not mention ‘long hair ‘ specifically but I mentioned length and messy and anyone with even a reasonable degree of comprehension should be able to work it out .Becoming a grandmother at 42 is completely irrelevant nor does coming from a privileged background necessarily ensure a smart appearance .

Caroline Louise Bevan Symonds
17 March 1988 (age 34)
London, England

Is she really poor thing it must be living with Boris .
Now what was I saying about being pedantic .

Getting your facts right.

Have you always been pedantic or is it a secret passion for Angela ? :slight_smile:

Do you always get personal when your facts are proved incorrect?

That’s a very BJ characteristic … :wink:


It is her hair and she can do what she wants with it.

It really is a personal choice.


I agree … :+1:

Well you would wouldn’t you ?