Why the ECHR is not to blame

Hi

We blame the ECHR, which is a stupid thing to do.

Ir protects our basic human rights, which include being able to post on this Forum.

It is not an EU thing and it was set up by the UK, we wrote the rules.

The problem is our politicians and the way we now interpret it.

This is perfectly legal under ECHR rules.

We, the UK ,keep a Muslim terrorist in Poland.

He needs to be kept totally out of contact and circulation.

Poland is a member of the ECHR, his conditions of imprisonment are legal there, they are not here.

A simple message, stop blaming the EU and blame our Politicians.

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The problem as most politicians see it is, it has been tampered with and therefore no longer fit for our purpose.

Why must we allow the European Legal Courts to dictate any rights over the UK Supreme Court.

We’re out of the EU.

What extra benefit does the UK taxpayer get by paying for 2 lots of Legal Beagles?

I am not sure what the point is here. Are you complaining that a convicted drug smuggler died in a Portugese gaol? I would have thought this forum, would be cheering after all don’t most on here support the death penalty for serious crime? if she had smuggled it in Malaysia she would have been hanged.

Hi

The ECHR is not part of the EU, it is completely separate

We are the only Country who interprets the provisions in this way.

We could have changed things when we were in the EU, we can change them now, my problem is that we don’t


It is yet another example of our Politicians not doing their job.

Scrapping the ECHR is absolutely the right thing to do Swimmy, replacing it with something that works. As far as illegal immigration is concerned, the articles covering how “refugees” are abused which is the reason why so many illegal immigrants come here and never go home. Its the same for Poland and every other country who signs up to it.

The irony, of course is that immigrants who commit crimes (rapists and murderers) have been prevented from being deported thanks to members of the Labour Party (and the hard left) abusing the human rights parts of the ECHR to keep them here and criminals have been boarded onto planes for deportation many times, only to have the deportation overturned in the courts, thanks to Article 6 of the ECHR.

The irony now is that these same MP’s want protection in their constituency surgeries from being attacked (as we saw with the tragic murder of Sir David Amess and Jo Cox) by these same nutters they campaign to keep here.

The ECHR needs replacing with a UK version that works for us and allows our laws to protect our citizens, deporting those who are a threat to our society.

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20 lbs of cocaine ?
Drugs that will damage someone’s child .

Absolutely right, Bread!

The ECHR does not work, equally, for all Humans!

The word “illegal”, attached to some immigrants, should be a clue!

First, send them back, then second, let them work with the Lawyers back where they came from.

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Bruce,

I think the posts are more about the huge numbers of illegal immigrants, and their Legal Reps, queuing up for the ECHR and putting forth all sorts of reasons why the immigrants should not be sent back.

The numbers staying on, in that queue gets more huge every day.

There are Hotels, full of them.

In Australia, do the powers that be allow the immigrants to stay on Australian soil, for months, whilst their claims are heard?

What do you do?

Changes need to made to the legislation to prevent smartarse lawyers from using it to prolong the deportation of foreign criminals with several appeals at the expense of the taxpayer. Its a defence lawyer’s charter for billing large fees. Whether you are talking about the Convention, the Commission, or the Court of Human Rights, they al begin with European so they are most definitely are to do with Europe. The problem with the legislation is that the drafting is so vague its open to interpretation which is their are so many appeals.

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@Tedc we even have Tony Abbott as a UK Government advisor and Johnson/Patel still can’t figure out the problem.

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Is it true that Britain wrote most of the ECHR?

I am not sure what happens at the moment because there have been no immigrants of any sort since March 2020.

Previously asylum seekers were detained in places like the Villawood Detention Centre before deportation or were allowed into the community on bridging visas after initial investigations until their status is determined when they will either be deported or granted refugee status.

Asylum seekers get no assistance from the government at all but a bridging visa allows them to work or they get help from charities.

Just before the lockdown there was the case of the Biloela family who’s application for asylum was rejected and the government attempted to deport them, they had a child in Australia and the local community wanted them to stay, They ended up in detention on Christmas Island but were recently granted another bridging visa after a lot of protests but are stuck in Perth many thousands of Km from the Queensland town they settled in.

I still don’t understand the relevance of the drug smuggler dying in Portugal.

Australia is a signatory to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and 1951 Refugee Convention.

Me neither!

Probably, but its changed a lot since then

Hi

Yes it is true that we wrote most of it.

Winston Churchill started it off and as the most powerful nation in Western Europe, we nominated one of our senior Lawyers to write it.

The problem is that much later, we voluntarily made our Courts subject to the rulings of the ECHR, which was an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Cherie Blair and Co made a fortune from it, doing appeals which take months and years and all paid for by Legal Aid, which means you and me.

Other member Countries did not do this and the likes of Germany can remove migrants in weeks.