Well said, Bratti. 
I think the majority of us are sick to death of the endless posts about the same subject.
No doubt shortly, in the Autumn, it will start all over again, same as it does every single year - it’s been done to death!
Same subject.
Same arguments.
Same person.
We at least used to get a break in the summer months, but this year it has gone on the entire summer, too.
How many times do I have to say, for Christ’s sake stop trying to interfere with other people’s health choices!
Their choice is their own private affair for reasons only they know.
This obsessional behaviour needs to end.
This is hugely childish.
It is not MY credentials in question here. I am merely highlighting the facts presented by medical research and studies. You are in error to attempt to cite me as their author.
The links to the studies are all given in other Flu threads
If you want to argue that the Cochrane Institute is without qualification then go ahead. You will make yourself look a complete tool though. They employ 1000s of very highly qualified medical staff and they set the global standards for how medical testing is done. Cochrane is the medical benchmark of independent testing which highlights the bias in other less independent testing.
But this is pointless as if you can’t decipher a message from the messenger nor understand who the message is from then this is all beyond you.
I only dispute when things are incorrect, factually incorrect.
No argument from me there. Illnesses of any kind stress the immune system, sap resources and leave you vulnerable until your body can recuperate and resupply itself with those lost resources. But none of this has any bearing on the flu vaccine. Except that, as I stated, having the flu shot does exactly that, it stresses your immune system, saps valuable resources and leaves you vulnerable for a period. I wonder how many elderly people get their flu shots, stress their immune system in so doing and then subsequently pick up a virus going round and suffer very badly from it? And in how many of those cases is it Pneumonia that they get and die from it?
And again this is generic and not pertaining to the flu vaccine. It’s silly to equate the flu vaccine with every other form of medical treatment or drug.
Patently untrue sadly. I mean you yourself in your post stated that you have the Flu vaccine so you don’t spread Flu to your family or kids. If you HAD done your research you’d know that having the flu shot means you will spread Flu around 6 times more than those who don’t have the slu shot.
That’s what these threads are about. Presenting the facts so people can make more informed decisions.
It’s odd that so many people get uppity about it all. Facts are good, research is good. Good for you, me, everyone. We need more facts because the medical industry and NHS are NOT giving the facts to us and are simply using conditioning and fear tactics to pressure us into making bad decisions for our health.
You can say as many times as you like but it washes off me like water on a duck’s back. We are debating the flu vaccine. Simple as. Nobody is interfering with other people’s health choices. Information is being brought to the table for people to consider, good facts, independent research, government ONS statistics, relevant studies and so on. It helps us make more infomed decisions about our health.
You hate this topic, you hate the debate yet you rant in each and every Flu thread. Go figure !
Either way, please stop trying to suppress information and knowledge through such insults and abuse.
If you don’t like the facts being presented, don’t read/follow the thread.
I am NOT trying to ‘supress information’ as you so ridiculously state. I am merely asking you to put a flamin’ sock in it!
And DO NOT try to tell me what I can or cannot read or comment on either.
I will do what I want - like it or lump it.
nobody can question credentials that do not exist!
Oh the irony !
YOU can not tell me what to post. Get used to it and stop making a scene of yourself.
For all those who think differently than Realist about the flu jab, I would suggest that you totally ignore his posts on that topic, because the Cochrane Org are not posting their blogs for the good of our health, so they must be making money out of it!
Realist has no qualifications in this field, so only knows what they print in their website. If I could be bothered, I would find another authority that have completely different ideas to Cochrane, but I have established by my own research that the flu jab is my best option & I assume everyone else will do the same! I feel it is best for the forum to stop this constant arguing about it because the same things are posted every year… and it is getting boring.:roll:
If any of you are worried about it, try asking somebody who knows what they are talking about, rather than what you, or anyone else finds on the internet!
All vaccinations do is stimulate your immune system to produce anti-toxins, so they are ready and waiting for the virus to arrive. In many cases it won’t arrive… but I believe it is better to be safe than sorry!
Bye bye to future flu threads!
Moving on . . . .
Evidence here that Flu vaccine effectiveness is reduced for those who routinely get vaccinated. It’s from 2015 but still relevant.
[size=4]Repeated flu shots may blunt effectiveness[/size]
“Universal influenza immunization programs, available in virtually every province and territory, may need to be reconsidered in light of emerging evidence that repeated flu shots may blunt the vaccine’s effectiveness in subsequent seasons.”
“The BC network’s estimates of this year’s flu vaccine efficacy, published in Eurosurveillance, were −8% overall and 2% in young adults against medically attended, laboratory-confirmed influenza A (H3N2) infection — which Skowronski said she interprets as a null effect. This also represents the lowest measured protection against a seasonal virus in the program’s 10-year history, she added.”
“It recently became known that this year’s H3N2 virus was not a match for the H3N2 component of this year’s trivalent vaccine, but the authors of this new study also saw variability in vaccine effectiveness that was related to prior vaccination history”
" Universal influenza immunization programs, available in virtually every province and territory, may need to be reconsidered in light of emerging evidence that repeated flu shots may blunt the vaccine’s effectiveness in subsequent seasons.
That phenomenon was seen in the Jan. 29, 2015 interim estimates of the effectiveness of the 2014/15 vaccine against influenza A (H3N2) from Canada’s Sentinel Physician Surveillance Network, headed by Dr. Danuta Skowronski of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control."
Interesting stuff !
And it’s excessively arrogant and irresponsible to suggest these senior members need YOUR bias input. They can do their OWN research which I suggest everyone do if they are unsure.
I’m NOT in error as I’m not citing you nor do I care to debate or argue about this topic with you.
Don’t think for a moment that I actually care what you think of me because I don’t and you can twist this around into any shape you like. The end result is that you are dishing out medical advice with NO QUALIFICATIONS!
If you are taking this info off the internet ( which we already knew) then why not just add the links instead of pretending to be superior to the rest of us. It’s so predictable and so unwanted but you don’t seem to care.
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