Sometimes I get a little heated about this ID stuff too!
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I’ve got an idea for those people who don’t have a mobile phone. Have them chipped, like cats and dogs are. With our current technology, I’m sure such chips will be able to record and transmit all sorts of useful data, such as a gps tracker, a sign of life (very useful for the elderly and infirm), and an anti-tamper device so it couldn’t be removed easily.
It’d be great at airports etc… no need for a passport… just walk through a sensor gate and all will be revealed. Heck, we could mandate that criminals also have these chips installed so their whereabouts could be monitored at all times.
How do I get in touch with the PM?
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You don’t have to, he’ll be in touch 
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My generation Azz?
You mean the generation that Mined the coal - Made the steel - Built the ships - Farmed the land - Caught the fish - Built the coal fired power stations with British workers using British made materials that kept your lights on and powered your computer 24/7 not just when the sun shone or wind blew - We built the motorways - Made the clothes that filled the shops - And invented the very thing that you now use to pour scorn on us…
I don’t blame the young people for the situation we find ourselves in, I blame Blair and the establishment for destroying this country and allowing it’s industries to move elsewhere.
I blame Blair and the establishment for sending all our young people to university instead of teaching them skills and manufacturing. Education is a costly luxury that we can ill afford in subjects that most of them will never use or need. To be a successful country with a healthy economy you need workers not academics.
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If they put the chip into a finger, it really would be digital ID.
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Yeah, but what have the Romans ever done for us? 
As for subjects they’ll never use nor need, nothing wrong with that. It shows that they’re prepared to do the work involved, even if a large amount of it isn’t actually of any interest to them and which they find dull and difficult. That seems a pretty good preparation for a life of work if you ask me.
Would be easy enough to sneak a chip in at birth, inside a bone while it’s still soft and growing, which would make it nigh on impossible to remove in later life.
Foxy, I blame the people, remember the fuel protests in 2000, a guy was leaving work early so he could try and get some fuel. I say to him, “never mind this short term inconvenience, what about long term and the fuel availability for your kids and so on, aren’t you bothered about that?”, no he said. See too many folks have indulged in short-termism, that’s the problem, never thought one could stop change, but, it might be foolish to help accelerate it
I’m unclear on the objections to the ID - is it because its obliging everyone to have an ID or is it because its going to be digital?
The argument against giving everyone an ID are pretty weak. We all have multiple ID verifiers as has been already stated - cards or papers that can be used as ID (driving licence or passport for example), digital ID’s aplenty (banking, loyalty schemes, tax reference). So this new ID is hardly a draconian addition.
The benefit of giving everyone an ID is the lack of ID cards today is an incentive for benefit fraud, for people coming to the UK without documentation, for people overstaying visas. I’m genuinely bemused that people complain about these things (and gosh people do complain about such things) tend to be the same people complaining about the introduction of these IDs. You’d think they’d be super happy with such IDs.
I understand the concerns about the proposed digital aspect of this scheme - there does not seem to be any truly safe and secure online system. But the ID itself - not a worry. And definitely not a police state. The police are perfectly able to over-reach their role today without such IDs and the government appears to be happy to outlaw dumb things without such IDs. Besides, most countries do have ID cards and they are no more, or often less, of police state than the UK is today.
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Post waiting approval… 
It’s not work though Dex, is it?
By the time they’ve reached 21 with more qualifications than Einstein had, nobody is going to tell them anything… 
And guess who pays for all that extra education? Yep, you and I do.
I know they are supposed to pay back the loans, but how many do, and the government have actually written off a lot of them.
At a time when they should be looking for a house, they leave university with one mother of a loan around their necks.
My two grand daughters found jobs that had nothing to do with the subjects they did at uni, and they both found love in those hallowed halls of supposed learning and came away with a bloke under their arm.
As for the ID, it’s always been a conundrum to me that a group of incredibly bright minds can be so incredibly innovative in developing technology but absolutely incompetent in anticipating and preventing its nefarious use. Within hours of everyone yielding to universal ID will be the inevitable fraud…and then the two…three…twenty-seven steps we will have to take prove that our universal ID is authentic…ID cards for the ID cards, making “universal ID” un-credible and in-valid.
Injectable chips, bone-imbedded chips, or tattoos? Talk about authoriatims 
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It’s a waste of money for a start when there are many more important things for the government to spend our money on.
You said it yourself, digital documents and personal data are not safe on the internet. We are just adding another layer of bureaucracy and admin to an already overstretched system.
Saying that other countries have ID cards is no excuse for us to join the rest of Europe, wasn’t that one of the reasons we voted to exit the EU?
It’s just a matter of time before there will be a cost for such ID cards, if there isn’t already. Just another method of squeezing money out of an overtaxed Joe public.
How will it help stop the boats? The occupants already throw their documents into the channel. What with finger prints, DNA samples, DVLA records, criminal records and miles of CCTV footage of every city street and beyond, why would the police want another method of identifying anyone? I know, lets employ another 1000 police officers so they can maintain even more records…What about getting that thousand police officers out on the streets to keep the public safe from all the new arrivals…
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it’s a gravy train for government contracts
It will be impossible to use for those who cannot use tech including the elderly
You are forced to have a mobile phone and keep it charged
It will be completely ineffective for those who come here illegally - they don’t care about right to work
just another moneymaking scam for those who already have too much money
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Yep, in a nutshell Annie.
We all have to carry a mobile phone around with us now, living without one is a nightmare.
We all must have a bank account, direct debits are absolutely necessary in some cases.
We still have the freedom to drive where ever we want, providing you have the right car and be prepared to pay tolls, congestion charges and clean air zone charges. Oh! and you need a smartphone or credit/debit card to pay. I drove over the Humber Bridge the other week and they have stopped taking cash payments.
The way I see it is like this. Just another plastic card to cram in my wallet but other than that, nothing to hide nothing to fear.
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No its not EZ, it’s digital, with all the hacking problems that brings, and one would guess, remember when telephone directories became defunct, you could get someone’s address from the phone number, that will become possible again with the link “Digital and Phone”, but, the extra factor would be with GPS, the link with the person and phone number means more than just an address, personally at this stage, one does not give a tom tit either way, if anyone wants to pin point moi just ask, forget all the tech stuff
Back in the sixties the only thing in my pocket were a packet of cigs, a lighter, a comb and some folding stuff in my wallet…
As long as we all realise that whatever changes the future brings we will have no control over it like it or not and that applies to whichever hysterical…sorry political party we may or may not put our trust in. We vote them in and then whinge on about the untruths they promised us.
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