I see new poster Potank has bumped an old thread, not sure why but the aftermath of posts is quite funny. What’s ironic is they all stem from a post from Pesta which like so many of AnnieS’s posts begin from a wholy made up statement about things I have said, or in this case haven’t said. There must be some psychological condition that makes people debate in that way, might be worth following up at some point.
So notably Pesta’s rant (seems a fair choice of word) begins with the statement:
"I despair that you assume it’s just caused by lack of sunlight. "
She’s referring to lack of Vit D and if we look back, at no point did I say a lack of Vit D was the result of a lack of sunlight.
What I posted in summary was:
Sunlight is great for us, super healthy
Sunlight gives us Vit D and creates Melanin
Sun creams are not healthy for your skin
Being natural, taking natural forms of Vit D is much better than supplements, potions and pills
The Vitamin D Council places the ideal level between 40 and 80 ng/mL with levels below 20 ng/mL as deficient. … According to most standards, sufficient values for vitamin D are between 30 and 60 ng/mL.
Mines apparently 27… I’ll mention it to GP next week and see what she says.
Cherry picking your own post and you stand by this nonsense?
The “establishment” and largely fraudulent Big Pharma health industry would have you stay out of the sun. They WANT YOU SICK ! How do they get you to stop doing THE most natural thing that any human can do (get in the sunshine)? By doing what they ALWAYS do, perpetrate a huge Campaign of Fear.
Of course you are going to tell us who the “establishment “ is right? And you have evidence that your bogey men, the “Big Pharma” want us to stay out of the sun also?
My twopennorth…firstly, leave the new member alone. Who are you to tell him he cannot bump a thread? He’s merely looking around the forum, just as we advise people to when they join.
Vitamin D3 is the vitamin you need for a sunshine substitute, regular vit D is a general one for the bones etc.
As a night worker I take D3 each day. It’s the only vitamin I “waste” money on. I’ve seen too many colleages who can’t get their sleeping patterns right over the years who get crinkly skin and bloodshot eyes because they go to bed too late in the morning and sleep through any sunshine we might get. I do not wish to experience their symptoms.
Sorry Realist, I’ve put up with all your spouting but now I’m tired of it also; you’re now outstaying your welcome with your smug and largely unfounded twaddle. If Google and Wikipedia are your bibles, please remember that we can search them too without turning into some kind of Human Oracle. How arrogant and condescending you are to think you are the font of all wisdom and that you constantly need to educate us all as if the rest of us on here are idiots.
Yes, important not expose yourself to sunshine excessively, not a good idea.
Same holds for most things in life. In fact if you drink too much water you can kill yourself !
However sunlight is super healthy for us and we should generally aim to get enough of it unless we have some kind of condition that prevents it.
Here’s some info from WebMD:
“Sun exposure is an easy, reliable way for most people to get vitamin D. Exposure of the hands, face, arms, and legs to sunlight 2-3 times a week for about one-fourth of the time it would take to develop a mild sunburn will cause the skin to produce enough vitamin D. The necessary exposure time varies with age, skin type, season, time of day, etc. Just 6 days of casual sunlight exposure without sunscreen can make up for 49 days of no sunlight exposure. Body fat acts like a kind of storage battery for vitamin D. During periods of sunlight, vitamin D is stored in fat and then released when sunlight is gone.”
That 6 to 49 days ratio is interesting imo. A little sunshine goes a long way !
Still no reply to the fact we just don’t get enough sun here in the winter and because it’s cold we cover our skins with clothes probably not helping either. Many Muslims suffer from vitamin D deficiency because of their modest dress, so even in the summer they can’t get enough.
Well put Floydy, and you are right mate but, you can’t reason with someone who doesn’t understand the concept of reasoning, it’s like trying to administer medication to someone who is already dead from the neck up. If any posts need removing from this thread it’s ones that give unsafe medical advice based on conspiracy theory’s
I think you are right Julie. Many people probably don’t understand the importance of the sun in our lives. WHat was interesting in the article I postd yesterdy was that we can “stock up” on this energy and Vit D in summer and “bank it” for the winter when as you rightly say, we don’t get a lot of sun.
6 days of sunshine can make up for 49 days of no sunshine.
SHows how important it is for us to make the most of summer imo.
I don’t believe we can stock up on it at all, if you have a deficiency it only takes a few days off your supplement the symptoms come back a week you can’t walk well at all I found.
I don’t post medical advice from conspiracy sites Rehab. Silly thing to say. I post material from respected research bodies like the Cochrane Institute. I realise its frustrating to be presented with such irrefutable data but it is what it is. We can accept what the experts and comprehensive tests and studies are saying or just blindly choose to ignore it. Either way it is what it is and if you have issues with what they are saying then it behoves you to contact them and take it up directly with them. Whining at the messenger who made you aware of the data is foolish.
A lot of it is opinion of scientists that are not exactly mainstream. Some is dodgy at best. I wouldn’t say you shouldn’t post but I am beginning to think management should put a sticky warning on some parts of the forum telling newbies and people not aware that a lot of the advice may not be safe to follow. Not just yours but generally people shouldn’t take anything as fact.
To be honest Julie we really need to get away from this encroaching desire for censorship. We have to learn to accept that there are wide and varying views in the world and that many people will at times not agree with yours (or indeed mine) or agree with the actions/policies of the NHS or other health services. The point of discussion and debate is to explore those views and ideas, assess the available facts and data and improve our general understanding. The more we can debate the issues the better off we all are.
and you stand by this nonsense?