I don’t think they know real life where some choose heat or eat , families with little ones and mum working for minimum wage ( or dad ) struggling , eating cheap food . Families in rented accommodation longing for their own home .
These people can’t know real life
They might not know real life like that from personal experience
But of course they do know that’s what real life is like for a lot of people at the bottom of the heap
They just don’t care
On reflection, my big issue with the Tory party at the moment is that they will still claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility. What a cheek.
I’ve been reflecting a bit more. Today’s Tory party has become neo-liberal. Which is not about being very LibDem but about being super-free market. So we get human waste in rivers and on beaches: there ain’t no profit in waste treatment. We’re about to get financial market de-regulation: there is deffo very short term profit in unreg’d trading. We seem happy that England uses more water per person than any other European country: let them pee away a precious resource.
So, this non-intervention, non-regulation Tory party are a problem for the country.
Nothing to do with the size of the population which grows day by day?
Per person. So, no, nothing to do with population size. A lot more to do with private water companies seeking profit before responsible water use. And a lot more to do with a government whose philosophy is non-intervention and let the market decide.
I’ ll need a little more persuasion Bread. At the moment can see none worth voting for unless or until a fairer system is in place. Live in a safe seat.
Me too!
Does this mean, if there are many of the same view, that we are about to witness to demise of the Tory party? Surely the rise in popularity of Reform can only take voters away from Conservatives. Reform would become what was the right-rump of the tories: anti-regulation, small government, libertarian, isolationist, etc. Which I’ve no doubt would gather quite a few votes. And this would leave a centre-right tory core.
But how would anyone other than Labour benefit from this?
It is certainly a dilemma for me at the moment. I have voted Conservative all of my voting life - and I come from a working class background (shock, horror!). However, at the moment I am undecided due to recent events. The dilemma for me is heightened by the fact that we have a Tory MP and she is very good - she is approachable and gets things done in our area, as well as being a Brexiteer - I feel a certain loyalty to her. Decisions, decisions! Thank goodness the election isn’t imminent, at least I have more time to consider my options.
We don’t have a conservative government, thats the problem for conservatives. The demise of the Conservative Party is because they are a mirror image of Labour - there is nothing to vote for in either party for people who are true conservatives (especially Brexit Conservatives).
The red wall handed Boris their vote to get Brexit done and the outcome was a stinking majority for Boris Johnson. Meanwhile, Labour (under Starmer) voted 48 times against Brexit in Parliament, campaigned continuously for a second referendum and had secret meetings with Brussels to deliberately scupper Brexit. They also are the party that champions net zero, kneeled for BLM and don’t know what a woman is. On top of that the front bench has zero government experience (and it shows ). They are lightweights and clueless ideologues.
The Tory socialists in government are also the party for net zero, which, thanks to Sadiq Kahn (the “excellent London Mayor”) with the expansion of ULEZ has now reached boiling point. Don’t forget there were about 6 London boroughs that voted for Brexit…
So, that leaves a big vote base of people who have the following priorities.
So any voters that want those 3 things to be sorted as a priority then Reform is the party with a pledge and a manifesto to deliver them. There is no short term solution to get this done, so even if my vote ends up in a labour government in 2024, the next GE in 2 - 4 years will will result in a true conservative government with a radical pro-brexit, anti net-zero and economic growth policy. It’s a sacrifice I’m willing to take quite frankly. Any Reform MPs standing in Parliament can be the true opposition until then making life very difficult for any government wanting.
The Labour Party will soon destroy themselves anyway as the SNP has, so Kahn, Drakeford and the rest of them. During the pandemic we had 2 years of socialism and guess what ? Nobody liked it.
** Illegal immigrants claiming they were trafficked and therefore cannot be expelled from the country are doing so because of Theresa Mays 2015 Modern Slavery Bill (notice how quiet the tories are on that issue - it’s not being removed from UK law either … funny that).
I do not want Richard Tice to accept any exes into Reform; believe any candidates should be independent from influences of main stream parties. A manifesto that is realistic, not pie in the sky. Local to the area they will represent, willing to put themselves out there; all they can give is everything they’ve got.
I don’t think Tice need worry, his party is no more likely to get an MP elected than Farage did before him.
I always get mixed up between the Reform party and the part that dreary big headed right wing twonk Lawrence Fox is leader of.
I think that we should avoid “cutting off our noses to spite our faces” in this situation.
By letting Laboour in, as our remedy for the Tory screw ups, is a bit like that.
Personally, I think the Labour Party have even less capabnility than the Toiries. I reckon we should get a bit more like our Friends in France. By that, I mean that we should take to the streets in order to let the Tories know that they need to improve, pronto, such that they do put in place a sensible clean up.
I’m not holding my breath!
The Tory party revolves around self-interest and serving the chumocracy so they have no integrity or principles they wouldn’t flog off for a couple of quid
So the only way you could get them to shape up is with a threat of losing the power to serve that self interest, in other words, getting kicked out office
Of course they will promise the earth, reform and to be pure as the driven snow if you protest, take to the streets etc.
But be gullible enough to put them back in and you’ll just get another 5 years of lies, backhanders and exploiting their position, because that is their nature and raison d’etre.
The only other way you could get them to behave with any decency would be to bribe them to! They like bribes and trousering some dish
But it would cost, the going rate would have to be more than they and their chums rip us off now
I can’t find it in myself to think that the Opposition is any better.
Wouldn’t anyone be better than what this lot have done?
Are you really so disillusioned and cynical that you’d put them in again because, crap as they are, you think we shouldn’t hope for better?
There has to be some penalty for being as dreadful as they are, and I think getting chucked out should be it
At least it shows such behaviour isn’t acceptable in our society and draws a line
It almost doesn’t matter if the next lot are as bad or worse.
Losing the vote would at least make the point that our country and it’s voters still have a little bit of integrity left and make future incumbents more careful about getting caught out
This lot are blatant and putting two fingers up to the peasants
We deserve better and should demand it and also have some hope and faith we can make a difference
We have to bear in mind that the Labour selection system backed Jeremy, all the way, almost to the door of no 10, last time around!
That won’t not convince me that they aren’t brewing another Jeremy in this run up!
Apparently, the great K Starmer backed Jeremy when others had reservations.
