Oh Patsy, you brought him with you on here as well!! Susie x
I think it was a tadge more than that.
Clearly all matter recycles in time. The key element in the discussion was whether YOU and I are DRIVERS of a body or whether we are just the body.
If we are just the body then surely nothing matters. We would be nothing more than robots doing just that which we were programmed to do. There can be no fault, no blame, no guilt. Any problems are the fault of the programmer. One can not blame a car for crashing or failing. The car just operates as it has been designed and built by its creator.
I guess it IS possible that this is the situation we find ourselves in, rationally we have to concede that possibility but if so, what possible purpose does our existence serve for our creator(s)? Surely they would have no need for slaves, for if they had the power to create a machine as complex as a human, they must have the power to create anything they want/need.
So the possibility that there exists more than the body is something we must contemplate.
This is too big a topic to adequately debate here imo however a simple thought occurs to me. Just about every Sci-Fi film that ever existed concerning robots suggests that robot builders always programme them so that:
a) They can not harm humans and
b) They can not self-terminate
Clearly humans DO have the capacity to both harm each other and to kill themselves. So the robot theory starts to look weak on these points alone. We DO appear to be drivers of the body we inhabit which then begs the question who and what are WE? And where are we controlling the body from? And why are we not “aware” of our real selves?
A more detailed study of the christian scriptures will suffice to explain that human creation is “programmed” with “self-will” or “free will”
You can deny or turn against the creator. Other ‘scriptures’ suggest that whilst some may do this in one life time all eventually will return [the ‘will’ will return] to the creator.
consider the first law of themo dynamics - stated in its simplest form ever " energy is eternal"
AND the transformation of energy [moving from one form to another] led to life on earth, whether omoebic or otherwise? 
Read that through again imo.
Anything which is programmed, can never have “free-will” or “self-will”, it can only have programmed will. Any choices the programmed human has or makes, are merely illusions because they are being made within the bounds and limits of the programming.
This is like Artificial Intelligence. The problem is a machine will only ever act in accordance with the rules it has been programmed with.
The “scriptures” are, imo, man-made works. Works written with pen and paper. Man has, since his conception, sought to find ways to control other men. Religions in the main are control mechanisms.
IMO every man/woman must work out their own way in life and come to understand who and what they are. Allowing other men/women to lay down rules by which you should live is not a way of working out your own life.
Brilliant evolution or intelligent design - read the article to the end before engaging you mind?
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/07/07/4251468.htm
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I think it was a tadge more than that.
Clearly all matter recycles in time. The key element in the discussion was whether YOU and I are DRIVERS of a body or whether we are just the body.
If we are just the body then surely nothing matters. We would be nothing more than robots doing just that which we were programmed to do. There can be no fault, no blame, no guilt. Any problems are the fault of the programmer. One can not blame a car for crashing or failing. The car just operates as it has been designed and built by its creator.
I guess it IS possible that this is the situation we find ourselves in, rationally we have to concede that possibility but if so, what possible purpose does our existence serve for our creator(s)? Surely they would have no need for slaves, for if they had the power to create a machine as complex as a human, they must have the power to create anything they want/need.
So the possibility that there exists more than the body is something we must contemplate.
This is too big a topic to adequately debate here imo however a simple thought occurs to me. Just about every Sci-Fi film that ever existed concerning robots suggests that robot builders always programme them so that:
a) They can not harm humans and
b) They can not self-terminate
Clearly humans DO have the capacity to both harm each other and to kill themselves. So the robot theory starts to look weak on these points alone. We DO appear to be drivers of the body we inhabit which then begs the question who and what are WE? And where are we controlling the body from? And why are we not “aware” of our real selves?[/QUOTE]
We are not meant to know, that way we can’t interfere.
You can be sure we would try to meddle and manipulate things otherwise.
We come with a ‘clean slate’ and no pre-conceived ideas so that we learn from scratch.
[B]This is too big a topic to adequately debate here imo however a simple thought occurs to me. Just about every Sci-Fi film that ever existed concerning robots suggests that robot builders always programme them so that:
a) They can not harm humans and
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clearly blade Runner didn’t fit this bill?
AND:
We are not meant to know, that way we can’t interfere.
You can be sure we would try to meddle and manipulate things otherwise.
We come with a ‘clean slate’ and no pre-conceived ideas so that we learn from scratch.
well sort of - we come with a free will NOT the free product - the product is the same [apart from a few centimetres of skincolor] the whole world over - free will is a ‘gift’ [and an unconditional one at that] some of us use it wisely others not
Excellent meaty stuff, folks !
If I understand Realist correctly, he seems to believe that because I have a mind capable of creative thought, I must somehow be “programmed” by some external entity.
To me that does not necessarily follow - just something to do with brain chemistry.
And yet, I don’t believe that I am ‘just a body’.
Only that nothing of me survives my death other than worm-food and the ongoing transmutation of matter.
Any adherence to a belief in “scripture” or any supernatural mythology is just … well, nutty really.
Absolutely none.
What grand purpose is fulfilled by a sponge - or mosquito ?
For us to have purpose, there must be a Creator ?
If there’s a Creator, we must have a purpose ?
Circular logic.
OMG - you’ve been out in those hot Queensland suns too much! or perhaps too many bundies??
whose talkin about grand purposes - everything has a purpose, there is no need to ‘ridicule’ the innocent mosquito or sponge - you been watching too many episodes of “grand designs” and what useful purpose does that serve?
Kevin bloody Mccloud - seems to me he’s floating on a cloud!
How very patronising - what happened to the concept ‘attack the post, not the poster’ ?
That was downright nasty and totally uncalled for!
While I am not so sure about being evolved from aliens, I do have an open mind about the supernatural and find Realist’s posts interesting. Certainly food for thought. Thank you for sharing, Realist.
Hear hear, thanks for your greats posts Realist.
susiejaeger have you notiched the figure seems to me to be wearing a cock hat fashionable in the early 1800’s☺
Thanks from me too Realist, I always enjoy your informative posts, keep em’ coming.
However, are we too busy looking for the complicated answers, and missing the actual reason why we are here? Continuation of species…That’s all, just like every other living thing on the planet. To survive and multiply.
One of the major differences between us and other occupants of this planet is a thumb.
This means we can grip things: Tools. The sky is no longer the limit. But there are a few other mammals who are blessed with a thumb.
The second is: We can make stuff up. No other animal can make stuff up. And sometimes we can make stuff up and build it, or write about it, or convince others to believe it, but ultimately, it all comes from somebodies imagination.
We begin life from the division of two cells, we flourish as cells multiply forming the body that is required to live on this planet. You can use it for as long as you look after it or until it grows too old to continue. As the brain breaks down all memory will be lost unless backup copies are made: Writing, Photographs etc,
As generations replace generations the memory of the average person will diminish.
All living matter breaks down and returns to the earth. You are no more. Nothing remains.
The living can only contact the living, just because you don’t understand how it’s done doesn’t mean that there is anything supernatural going on.
Nobody lived before, there are more people alive today that have died since time began, where have they come from? Answer: The circle of life and cell division.
I DO love this Forum as it’s so informative…I’m sure Folks have almost lost Their minds trying to find out ‘what’s it all about and why am I here’, …I certainly don’t know…I just am…Will I find the mystery of Life before I die?..doubt it,…but I sure love to read what Others think and feel about it all…so bring it on ;~)
don’t keep informing us as if you have all the answers - you don’t but that is how ya comin over - if you do have all the answers then tell us when ya book is coming into print.
glad you’ve improved on your paragrahing - that’s a good start. 
Gumbud - are you incapable of responding to a post without being rude? First to Realist, then to Patsy, now to Old Grey Fox !
I am sure there is a nice person in there somewhere - let’s see him!
WE are
It ‘is’ interesting - like to hear different views 