The Supernatural

susan_m · 13 January 2017 17:25

Interesting doc , Thankyou

deylon · 13 January 2017 20:38

At a friends house I used to see a large elephant ornament standing behind her settee in her front room, I felt it was a strange thing for her to have,but never mentioned it to her, untill one day we were out and I mentioned this elephant," I havent got an elephant ornament behind my settee and never have done " she said, " but the people who lived here before had lots of elephant ornaments". I had never been in that house before my friend moved i , never knew / met the previous owners , and my friend had never spoken about them

JBR · 13 January 2017 20:43

Was it still there when you next visited her?

Sweetie_pie · 2 April 2018 17:57

Oh, I love this thread.
Fantastic.

JBR · 2 April 2018 19:53

Me too.

People ask me, if I don’t believe in a god or an afterlife, how can I suspect that there may be ghosts or other supernatural events?

My answer is simple. If there are such things as ghosts, etc., I believe it is most likely that they would turn out to be natural phenomena which science has so far not been able to explain.

Another thing that I yearn to see is ball lightning.

Psmith · 2 April 2018 19:59

I don’t believe in the supernatural at all but I think humans have lost some of the senses they had at the start which animals and birds still have and these sometimes re-appear.

JBR · 2 April 2018 20:05

Yes, that is a perfectly believable theory.

Bratti · 2 April 2018 21:21

Actually, this kind of response is in itself, a tad primitive. In our universe, matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Hence nothing ever “dies” as such, it simply changes form.
Everything that makes you YOU has been here since the beginning. You were born in a star billions of years ago. Atoms of Hydrogen combined to make atoms of Helium, they combined to make other elements and so on. All of it, simply a change of one form to other forms. But fundamentally the same amount of “stuff” has always existed. It’s just constantly changing. With this in mind the question arises as to whether you & I are more than simply matter. If we are just matter then “dying” simply equates to another simple change of form. The atoms of our body will slowly change and we will initially return to dust before being recycled (again) into something else. There can be no actual “death” in that situation if we are just matter. What dies is just the form. Thus if you build a castle out of Lego today, then break it up tomorrow and build a bus instead, then are we to say that the castle has “died”?

If you boil a pot of water and it disappears as steam, have you killed the water?

If you take an apple from a tree and eat it, have you killed the apple?

I submit that all you have done is changed one form of matter into other forms of matter. There is no actual death.

The problem we have of course is that it seems likely we are much more than just matter. There is something more to us. What that is exactly, is tricky to define. Maybe it is a form of energy who knows. For some it is what we refer to as “God”, i.e. we are all a tiny part of God. God is us and we are God. As such we are immortal, or at least that part of us that is not simply matter.

If you struggle with the concept that we are more than matter then life imo looks bleak. It would mean we are simply robots, programmed machines just acting as we have been programmed to act. Actually I have some sympathy with such notions. After all can anyone out there tell me how you consciously manage to:

keep your heart pumping

heal your skin when it gets cut

grow your adult teeth
etc

Scientifically/biologically we might understand how it happens, but we sure as hell are not conscious of making those things happen.

This should tell us then that our BODY is a robot, a machine, simply a form of matter. WE are the drivers of that machine. We are in some way connected to it so that we can operate it and experience the feedback from its senses. So that which we call pain is simply a signal from the body to me.

So where am I then? And what am I?

Insert your own beliefs at this point. Every creed, religion, faith has its own idea of what we actually are. Personally I strongly expect that I am nowhere near my body, that I am somewhere else. The problem is, I am only experiencing things through my body, so I can’t see or feel “me”. If this theory is true then I have to ask, how did I end up in such a situation? Did I volunteer for some Sci-Fi type “Total Recall” experience? Am I badly injured and in “Vanilla Sky” fashion have volunteered to live the rest of my life out in a false computer generated universe? Or are we just all slaves, controlled by aliens we can not see and imprisoned in a computer generated “Matrix”?

Perhaps it is all a test. Perhaps the whole point of it all is for the REAL US to grow, mature, start to ask such important questions and seek out the answers in some great cosmic puzzle game. Perhaps we are all inadvertently participating in a galactic form of Big Brother !

In the end however, I tend to think that we can not die as such. I think the notion of death is the great deception that we are conditioned to believe from birth. Either we are simply matter, mere robots and thus will change from this form into some other form over time (maybe a better form or a worse form). . . OR . . . we are more than matter and exist somewhere else and once our machine expires we will snap back into the “real” world and who knows what we will do then. Either way, death is surely not what we’ve all been led to believe.

. . . imo

This is brilliant ! You explained your point extremely well.
I applaud you.

SilverTabby · 2 April 2018 22:39

We are stardust !

summer · 3 April 2018 04:26

A weird thing happened to me and a group of pals the other day. We meet now and then as a group of friends from way back and have coffee. The last meeting was sad because one of our number a lady called Sylvia had died so her seat was empty. As we reminisced about her a strange thing happened a pals mobile rang and there in the display was Sylvias name…it was a call from her phone but when answered no-one was there.?

Enquiries were made to her husband who informed us her phone was in a draw in their bedroom not touched since she passed and flat as a pancake.

As people say there must be an explanation we just couldn’t think of it.

Sweetie_pie · 3 April 2018 11:29

How very strange Summer. I can not think of an explantion.

Mondays_child · 3 April 2018 19:25

The weirdest thing that happened to me, and made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. You know how when your lying in bed and someone comes and sits on the edge of the bed and the mattress dips down with their weight. One night when lying in bed on my left side with my arm propping up my head because I was reading and it felt just as if someone had just sat on the bed behind me. Without thinking I turned round to see who was there but as I was alone in the flat obviously there was nothing to see. But I swear to this day someone or something had sat on the edge of the bed behind me.

susan_m · 3 April 2018 19:43

MC, I had this happen to me one night , I was asleep and woken by the feeling someone had walked into my bedroom , my back was to the door , I lay there waiting , the edge of the bed dipped and someone sat on the bed behind me , I just froze , I thought they were human , I could really feel it . After about 1 minute the feeling went , I turned on the light , it was scarey . I asked out loud that it never happen again and it hasn’t thank goodness .

tarantula · 4 April 2018 08:05

I have seen several ‘apparitions’ at our previous property, so have others. That of a monk, a girl and a lad. Our daughter was staying with us during her university holiday and saw a monk sitting on her bed. I was being interviewed for radio programme by a well known author, when he paused the interview as he said he could see a monk standing the kitchen. I told him not to worry about it, that sort of thing was a regular occurrence.

Some medium who had been sent by a TV company fell into a trance, much to the amusement of my husband and I, and claimed the monk had been killed on the river bank just outside the house in 1612 by Government troops. Well it made a nice story.

In December 2005 six police officers were having a ‘ghost tour’ as a thank you for their help in finding our Down’s Syndrome son who had got lost when we went for a walk on a nearby mountain. I was relating the story when suddenly behind them a brown stain in the form of a monk appeared on the wall behind them. It freaked them out. They said they would sooner catch dangerous criminals than live in our home.

summer · 4 April 2018 08:21

Gosh tara what is that picture can you explain?

OldGreyFox · 4 April 2018 09:01

Wow Tara…:shock::shock::shock:

I’d be looking for somewhere else to live if that happened to me…

susan_m · 4 April 2018 09:26

I may be repeating myself here as thread too long to read each one but for those interested my neice moved into a converted barn , within days little stones were being thrown at her whizzing past inches from her body . My sister was with her and neice couldn’t find the little electronic box that opened the gates to the property even though she had put it on the coffee table an hour earlier , they hunted high and low and after a long while my neice went into the bedroom to put on her boots and as my sister was waiting she saw a black thing fly through the air and hit my neice on the leg she shouted as it hit and it was the electronic box for the gates . Sister then knew that the place was haunted as she saw it happen . Neice lived there alone for a year and had a lot of strange things happen even seeing people walk through the lounge during the day . She always slept with the light on . Strangely enough as time went on she became less scared , the stone throwing stopped and things calmed down , almost an acceptance of her energy living there .

JBR · 4 April 2018 09:30

I’d have the wall checked for damp and have it fixed. Then some nice new wallpaper.

No, I’m not being flippant; just practical.

tarantula · 4 April 2018 09:38

I did explain in my post, it is a stain in the form of a monk which appeared when I was giving the police officers a ‘ghost tour’.

Morticia · 4 April 2018 09:50

So what did you do with your damp patch after Tara? Did you paint over it? How old was the house?