@Socrates , Ah, thought l was ,
Yes, lthink you are right too, UK Management have taken things backwards
and treat workers like shyte now, lthink it’s because they are very rarely
owners anymore, but are business graduates with little knowledge of
the product or how to manufacture it??
Their focus is on the share price, the product is secondary, once they get
enough shareholders the money makes its self?
My old bosses used to take an interest in us and gave us assistance if
needed with relocation etc without us having to beg for it!!
I realise now how lucky l was!!
Your comment on P&0 and others was spot on !
Donkeyman! 
@wendeey , Just read your link on manufacturing in the UK Wendee,
Whilst the figures quoted seem ok, l noticed that 25% and 17 % of
the total output was made up of transport and chemicals respectively ?
Transport is not really manufacturing is it ?
And chemicals can be anything from bulk fertiliser to petro chemicals
much of which is imported and reworked, and in the case of petro chemicals
value is added by heavy taxation??
However l was cheered up a bit by the numbers as compared world wide !!
So have a good day !!
Donkeyman!
I’d like to say, “Where Germany goes, the UK follows… eventually”. Hopefully.
Interesting. If things pan out today like they did then, I wonder if many people will emigrate to better climes again. The way the country is going, I could understand it.
May I ask where you emigrated to?
@JBR, ‘where did l emigrate to’? Rwanda of course! HA! HA! No only
joking!
It was South Africa, which at the time was in a state of rebellion
Donkeyman!
Do you regret coming back? Just curious, nosy.
@Cinderella ,‘do l regret coming back?’
Yeah , l didn’t know how far UK had regressed !!
But Donkeywoman is as happy as a pig in shyte !!
Donkeyman! 
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I’m sure that would have been interesting.
Not a place I’d want to live in, though. Not with all those Zulus attacking with their spears.
@JBR No spears these days!
AK 47s and grenades !!
But twernt too bad once you learnt where to go and where not to !!
And yes, it was interesting !
Donkeyman ! 
I know just what you mean.
Marge went to Durban about 12 years ago (for her work).
The people who ran the hotel explained to her always to turn left as she leaves the front door and never go the other way down the road.
She never found out exactly why, of course, because she never went that way down the road!
the right to strike is the last bastion of the working class worker - the politariat need person/power in some form - removing it means that all they have are machines that sometimes break or can’t switch themselves on and off.
@JBR, 12yrs ago,? The ANC had been in power for a couple of decades
by then, so Marge must have been evading common criminals not
terrorists ?
I come from the time when the SABC used to make announcements as to
what routes to follow each day if you wanted to avoid problems !!
And larger companies had all their windows bomb proofed with plastic film!!
Things still went on though !!
Donkeyman!
PS,. SABC = south african broadcasting company .
The tube has been automated for decades.
Erm…Actually the labour government closed more pits than Margaret Thatcher ever did…
Who closed more pits Labour or Tory?
Clement Attlee’s Labour government closed 101 pits between 1947 and 1951; Macmillan (Conservative) closed 246 pits between 1957 and 1963; Wilson (Labour) closed 253 in his two terms in office between 1964 and 1976; Heath (Conservative) closed 26 between 1970 and 1974; and Thatcher (Conservative) closed 115 between 1979 …
Exactly right, JBR.
My friends dad was a postman and he had to go on strike because of the unions. He was out for about 4 to 5 months (unpaid) and had to work another year of overtime when he got back to work just to make up the losses in income when he was on strike. All that for a 2p in the £ pay rise
This is the craziness of the unions - they only serve the union bosses, nobody else.
Mick Lynch is on £124,000 a year.
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Yes, you’re absolutely right. Yes, everyone talks about Maggie being responsible for the death of the coal mining industry. Those are the words being bandied about, but as usual the Labour party is responsible for more damage to this country.
The Labour party might have been an essential movement in the early 20th century, when workers had few if any rights and were underpaid. More recently, though, I can’t see any actual need for that party as we all know what they always aim to do now.
If only more people had more common sense and, of course, if we had a choice of political parties we could trust to do the right thing for the country and us, the ordinary people.
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Yes indeed. And whilst the workers are on strike and not receiving any pay, the union reps and their leaders keep receiving their money!
It would be much fairer if their money was stopped as well. If they really believed in the necessity of striking, they’d certainly think twice about calling out the workers then.
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striking is NOT about the quality of your union reps it is about large scale people power bringing down govts and companies - the union reps can never do that alone!
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This ^^^