The Lancet Scolds Those Claiming a Pandemic of the Unvaccinated

The anti vaxxers are a religion like the vaccine fascists. Both sides are trying to character assassinate moderates to push their political agendas.

Could you tell me how they pose no threat?

Yes - they wouldnā€™t take the vaccine.

They arenā€™t anti vaxxers they have all sorts of other reasons why, from existing conditions where they cannot take vaccines to religion, trust etc etc.

There are no religious objections to vaccines

Ok, therefore if thatā€™s the case, unfortunately they will have to seek employment elsewhere,ā€¦

Those are the rules made by the authorities, so I would adhere to themā€¦Bread, genuine question are you in that area of expertise or are you going by what you read like me?

Unvaccinated and vaccinated people can catch and transmit the virus.

Vaccinated people protect themselves although efficacy varies dramatically from person to person.

Unvaccinated people can have natural immunity.

Unvaccinated people can have 2 jabs but no booster by definition.

There is this ignorance that unvaccinated people are diseased and transmitting virus to everyone who are getting infected (including vaccinated people) and itā€™s the unvaccinated people killing everyone. In reality this is simply absurd because vaccinated people are protected and vaccinated people spread the virus just the same ad unvaccinated people.

Where is the logic ?

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It does sound all so confusing I agree, I went for the vaccine,I was reluctant to have it, but, my son said that I must ,plus scientists were doing the same,so I listened to themā€¦

I never knew that about the unvaccinated which does make sense.

So they canā€™t infect us no more than a vaccinated person?

But the unvaccinated could become seriously ill or die if contracted covid, that is the difference?

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Your body ā€¦ your choice Iā€™m all good with that Pauline. People in vulnerable groups should be encouraged to be vaccinated and there should be a lot more information on side effects and how you can still get the virus even with the vaccine.

This coercion is what makes me furious and the infringement of peopleā€™s human rights and ethics regarding informed consent.

Unvaccinated people should be encouraged to have a vaccine but not demonised. Our bodily autonomy is our choices and we should respect peopleā€™s decisions. Vaccinated and unvaccinated spread and catch the virus regardless and the survival rate is 99.75%. Thete is no need for a master race in charge of a 2 tier society- which is the direction we are now heading in.

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No one is being coerced .
They have a choice if they donā€™t like it change employment .

You certainly have a point here Bread, thanks for explaining it to me,:+1:

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Oh yes they are - vaccine passports and mandated vaccination for health workers.

It doesnā€™t get more coerced than that, plus the vaccine fascists berating people who choose differently to them.

Meanwhile ā€¦ Boeing caves Iā€™m on its vaccine mandate, and the people beat the bullies and the ignorant

@Bread , Very true Bread !!
I must say l completely agree with this post, l have not seen
people dying by the scores, funeral hearses are not queueing
around the block, morgues are not crammed with bodies ??
It does seem we are all a little hysterical over this virus ??
Donkeyman! :roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

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I canā€™t understand why some people donā€™t display rational thoughtā€¦
If vaccinated or unvaccinated people can still catch and pass on the virus, how are they different? And why should employers insist that everyone should be vaccinated?
My only conclusion is that with a vaccine you are less likely to require hospital treatment or die.
You benefit from taking the vaccine is for your protection and not anyone elseā€™s.
In fact! A vaccinated person is more likely to carry the virus without displaying any symptoms.
On the other hand, most unvaccinated people certainly know within a day or two that they have caught the virus and would be too sick to venture out and perform any kind of work.
I know this from personal experience.

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Hi OGFā€¦I know you were ill when you contracted the virusā€¦but some donā€™t even know they have it, vaccinated or unvaccinated, thatā€™s what Iā€™ve read, there are so many different theories out there, it would take me ages to understand it and then, who do I believe?

My should be colourist was one of them, Jo told me he never felt any different, mind you I donā€™t know if heā€™d had the jabs.

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Vaccinated people also take more risks, such as ignoring social distancing and washing hands. The same with facemasks - the cloth ones (like a pair of pants) are completely ineffective against airborne viruses but people think by wearing them they can cheat death.

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@OldGreyFox , Yes. I agree with that !
The only thing l would add is that taking the vaccine, whilst
making it less likely for you to die or. be hospitalised by catching
the virus also helps to lower the rate or bed occupancy in our
hospitals, which the main purpose of taking the vaccine,
I think??
Iā€™m sure the government would be only too happy to see some
of its most elderly and sickly citizens depart this world?
But obviously they canā€™t say this can they ?? :grin::grin:
Donkeyman! :thinking::thinking:

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No they donā€™t the vaccinated are more socially responsible and are more likely to observe all the above more than the socially irresponsible people who go unvaccinated , Masks are extremely effective against spreading the virus by droplet .

Any more fictional pronouncements ?

The thing is though how do we know who are vaccinated and who are unvaccinated, so not sure how you came to that conclusion,Bread?

How do you know categorically that the vaccinated takes those risks?

It sounds like you are singling them out?:blush:

He makes it up as he goes along .

Unless you leave next door to a crematorium or century you are unlikely too.