Starmer is having a bad time

Strewth, we are going to agree again.
Back in the 70’s there were many problems but there were also some stuff that was working. As you note, the gap between the very rich and everyone else was much smaller. Even the difference between the big boss’ pay and their average worker pay was not as great as it is now. And that was when the tax demand from the big boss’ pay was much higher.
On top of that, social mobility was at its highest - higher than before and higher than since. Now, unless you are born into money then it is very unlikely that you will go on to achieve money. The money earning professions are now pretty much closed shops - only accessible to friends and relatives of those already in those professions. And if you are seriously wealthy then you get to keep your serious wealth with only notional taxation. Serious money earns 6-7% (or more) from investments such as shares, property, etc. Ordinary earners can barely get through the month so investments are out of the question.
Which leads to affordability. Many could afford to buy a house in their twenties. Even in what are now crazily expensive places.
There have been a lot of doubtful policies and decisions in the decades since the 70’s that have not benefited the majority of people.

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I was going to click ‘like’ on that post but I’m not now.

Why Morty? What was wrong with the seventies?
I came out of my apprenticeship and got a good well paid job as a skilled man.
I also got married, bought a new house (bungalow) and sired a beautiful baby daughter and in 1980 went to Spain on my first foreign holiday…
:desert_island:
Arguably my most successful decade.

Its just so easy to get the wrong end of a stick :smile:

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Anyway, let the man rest, he has had to tangle with his roots.

He wasn’t a ‘nice bloke’. He was a puppet for whatever policy the Labour party wanted to project.
You don’t get to the top by being ‘nice’.
He was spineless and manipulative, and as the media said many times (well, the ones that were being honest) he was the most hated Prime Minister since Blair.
There’s probably plenty of skeletons in his closet, we just haven’t heard about them yet, and now he’s gone we probably won’t need to.

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Burnham’s as corrupt and incompetent as Starmer, I wouldn’t trust him or the Labour party ever again, they are a disgrace to socialism.
That’s socialism as in ‘controlled by the people’, not by the state as in Russia, China or North Korea.

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Don’t think its about trust, the place has changed but, so has the policy, but the label well, new labour!! why fix something that ain’t broke?
One good thing on Starmer’s legacy, he did not rename the party Labor :grin: :icon_wink:

He didn’t get to the top, not really. He was forced out after half a term. Blair, on the other hand, did three consecutive terms. That’s top of the game.

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Would you not say that the press were out to get Starmer? Compared to Johnson or even Sunak, Starmer got a really bad, biased media coverage. Note - Starmer largely dug his own demise and failed to present as a good leader but your judgement is too harsh and with no justifications for ‘spineless and manipulative’.
Compare Starmer achievements to Sunak’s and Starmer comes out looking quite effective. Note - I’d still say he was disappointing compared to the pre-election promise.

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Starmer achievements ? You mean like taking away the fuel allowance while energy prices have gone through the roof, making enemies of farmers, the ones who put food on his table, and falling for the Net Zero lies of the tree huggers etc etc etc…

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No sh!t, Sherlock :wink::grimacing:

You just have to do your best with the material available at the time!

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NHS Waiting Lists:Reduced elective waiting lists in England by over 500,000, achieving the lowest level in three and a half years.
Launched school reforms, scrapped single-headline Ofsted grades, introduced free breakfast clubs for primary school pupils, and drove recruitment for thousands of new teachers.Passed the Renters’ Rights Act to ban no-fault evictions and protect millions of private renters, alongside new employment rights protections for workers.
Brought inflation down and increasing the National Living Wage
Lowered net migration significantly from its previous peaks and increased arrests related to people-smuggling.
Stopped the giving away of winter fuel allowance to people who did not need it and just spent it on a case of claret - just did this clunkingly
Addressed the tax avoidace by rich people who used their money to buy farm land as they wanted to avoid inheritance tax - just did it clunkingly
Now try the same list for Sunak

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NHS waiting lists.
I needed an appointment to see a doctor last week, phone at 8am, get put in a queue, 28th!
Half an hour later when I get through to the receptionist, surprise surprise, no appointments left. ‘Can you ring tomorrow?’
More BS.
Lowered net migration.
More lies, damned lies, and statistics. Bigger boats, more migrants, more BS.
Brought inflation down.
Yeah, whatever that means. Prices of everything still risen every time I go to the supermarket, energy increases, cost of living increases.
Strange how nothing actually feels like an improvement, no matter what BS the government feeds to the media.
As for Burnham, just another puppet in a different t-shirt.

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Lets just wait and see whats included in the Bodget :grin:

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Bodget is the right word … I have absolutely no faith at all in this new lot of mobsters.

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That’s more faith than I have :upside_down_face:

Its all or nothing :laughing:

I like andy burnham, he can play rusholme ruffians too.