Satellite constellations - A non-military threat to Earth's view of the Universe

From next week, a campaign to launch thousands of new satellites will begin in earnest, offering high-speed internet access from space. Instead of being constrained by wires and cables, satellites can beam internet access down to the ground from space. And if you have lots of them in orbit, it means even the most remote regions can get connectivity.

To give you an idea of the numbers, there are currently just 2,200 active satellites flying around the Earth. But as of next week, the Starlink constellation - a project by US company SpaceX - will start sending batches of 60 satellites into orbit every few weeks. This will mean about 1,500 satellites have been launched by the end of next year, and by the mid-2020s there could be a fleet of 12,000. UK company OneWeb are aiming for about 650 satellites - but this could rise to 2,000 if there is enough customer demand. While Amazon have a constellation of 3,200 spacecraft planned.

In May and November, Starlink sent 120 satellites into orbits below 500km. Stargazers were concerned when the spacecraft appeared as bright white flashes on their images. Scientists are worried that future “mega-constellations” of satellites could obscure images from optical telescopes and interfere with radio astronomy observations.

Dhara Patel, an astronomer at the Royal Observatory Greenwich said: “These satellites are about the size of a table, but they’re very reflective, and their panels reflect lots of the Sun’s light, which means that we can see them in images that we take with telescopes. These satellites are also big radiowave users… and that means they can interfere with the signals that astronomers using. So it also affects radio astronomy as well.”

So, a planned 15,000 satellites to add to the existing 100,000+ man-made objects already circling the Earth - it’s getting mighty crowded … :shock:

I heard about that Omar and it is worrying.
Coating the satellites with a none reflective material has been mentioned but that might affect their performance.

Time for some co -ordinated controls on satullite launches l think
Omah?It seems any tom, dick, or harry can dump their junk how
they see fit!
Donkeyman!

A non-reflective coating might hide the reflection from satellites but would still hide what’s behind the satellite - “a nearby potentially hazardous asteroid or the most distant Quasar in the Universe” … :shock:

Russia and China have been setting up their own internet services - the latter with money to burn - the anticipated number of satellites could easily triple … :!:

Maybe it will cancel out global warming by interfering with
sunlight?? We are sooo clever??

Donkeyman!

Thanks for posting this news Omah, and there probably are going to be problems especially when they eventually fall back to earth, and they will!
However…
How many aeroplanes are in the skies at any one time…? I estimate more than a hundred times more than the total amount of satellites.

And the trouble with graphics like this is…If it was to scale the size of each satellite would be so small that you wouldn’t even see it with the naked eye…

We sometimes forget how big this planet and its surrounding atmosphere really is…
Something all too often neglected when discussing man made climate change.
Transport that can whisk you to the other side of the world in 24 hours, or skype etc that can beam pictures of your loved ones around the world in real time certainly make the world look small.

But if you were to travel in space amongst all these satellites you might be lucky to spot one all day, they would be that far apart…
Consider the Atlantic ocean, a million times smaller than satellite territory, and the amount of shipping present on it (thousands of craft) and yet you can sail for three or more days without spotting one vessel…

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Apparently:

https://www.rd.com/advice/travel/how-many-planes-are-in-the-sky/

Depending on the time of day or time of year, there could be anywhere from 8,000 to 20,000 planes mid-flight at any given moment, according to Flightradar24, which keeps track of flights in real time. You’re most likely to find numbers on the high end of that range in the summer when it’s between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. Western European Time because at that point, flights in North America (where it will be morning) and Europe (where it will be afternoon or early evening) will be active, the analysts say. Typically, the year’s busiest flight day is in July or August on a Thursday or Friday.

That’s a lot less than I thought but that amounts to anywhere between 100,000 and 200,000 flights per day, including private, business and military aviation.

Good point …… :023:

But then there’s orbital debris:

Orbital debris is any man-made object in orbit about the Earth which no longer serves a useful function. Such debris includes nonfunctional spacecraft, abandoned launch vehicle stages, mission-related debris and fragmentation debris.

There are more than 20,000 pieces of debris larger than a softball orbiting the Earth. They travel at speeds up to 17,500 mph, fast enough for a relatively small piece of orbital debris to damage a satellite or a spacecraft. There are 500,000 pieces of debris the size of a marble or larger. There are many millions of pieces of debris that are so small they can’t be tracked.

Even tiny paint flecks can damage a spacecraft when traveling at these velocities. In fact a number of space shuttle windows have been replaced because of damage caused by material that was analyzed and shown to be paint flecks.

“The greatest risk to space missions comes from non-trackable debris,” said Nicholas Johnson, NASA chief scientist for orbital debris

“Many millions” is a lot more than I thought …… :shock:

Whilst l agree with you generally OGF, l differ when it comes to
this p!anets atmosphere, lf you see the planet from space the
depth of the atmosphere compared to the size of the planet you will
see that it seems to be very thin in relation to the globe, in fact it
looks very mimimal and vulnerable? So l do believe it may be
possible for us, especially as we proliferate, to have some sort of
influence on it? However l keep an open mind on whether we can
compete with the forces of nature!
Donkeyman!

Erm … is that expensive NASA tool bag still floating around in orbit?
And another hunk of junk … that fridge the astronauts dumped out of the space station?
I wouldn’t mind but us Earthlings have to dispose of our old fridges safely. They should be made to take it to the tip like everyone else.

What causes orbital decay?
is it too much sugar in your diet?
BDonkeyman!

Tool kit dropped from space station is orbital junk no more
By John Matson on August 3, 2009

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/tool-kit-dropped-from-space-station-2009-08-03/

And another hunk of junk … that fridge the astronauts dumped out of the space station?
I wouldn’t mind but us Earthlings have to dispose of our old fridges safely. They should be made to take it to the tip like everyone else.

AFAIK, the fridge got incinerated, too … :!:

Ah, I did wonder. So the tool bag came home (incinerated) in 2009.
It’s a magical fascinating place … though I did snigger when I read once about skywatchers wishing on a shooting star … which was more likely a frozen waste dump chucked out of the space shuttle.

And not before time …

European Space Agency to launch space debris collector in 2025.
Robotic junk collector will be first mission to remove item of debris from orbit.

Now there’s a bit of innovative job creation. Bet Trump wishes he’d thought of it first for out of work NASA boffins.

The ClearSpace-1 mission, scheduled for launch in 2025, will cost €120m and will grab a single piece of junk. But the agency hopes the mission will pave the way for a wide-reaching clear-up operation, with Esa’s director general calling for new rules that would compel those who launch satellites to take responsibility for removing them from orbit once they are retired from use.

The target for ClearSpace-1 is a piece of junk called Vespa, which was left in an orbit around 800km above the Earth by ESA’s Vega launcher in 2013. Vespa weighs 100kg – around the size of a small satellite – and was selected because it has a simple shape and sturdy construction, which make it unlikely to fragment when it is grabbed.

The “chaser” ClearSpace space probe will be launched into the target orbit where it will track down Vespa, grab it using a quartet of robotic arms and drag it out of orbit, with Vespa and the chaser both burning up in the atmosphere on the way down to Earth.

I used to have a Vespa 150GS which weighed 100kg and I’m sure I left that parked in someone’s back bedroom in 1969 … :wink:

It’s good news about a “clear-up”, though … :023:

At over 120million a peice it sounds very affordable and practical
to me?
Donkeyman!

Again, look at the scale of earth compared to the space junk, with 480,000 pieces no bigger than a softball…

http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/videos/2019/02/distribution_of_space_debris_in_orbit_around_earth/19223416-1-eng-GB/Distribution_of_space_debris_in_orbit_around_Earth_pillars.jpg

Okay, let’s put things in perspective…

So its generally accepted that Earth’s atmosphere stretches approximately 60 miles out into space. Only habitable without breathing apparatus for Four miles high.

Now lets look at man’s distribution on the surface of the Earth.
71% is covered by oceans…
27% is mountains or deserts and uninhabitable by humans.
Man could possibly inhabit the remaining 2% but doesn’t…
We are but a small speck on the face of this planet, and the chances of us having any effect on climate, other than locally is ridiculous…:018:

What goes up, must come down, spinning wheels (you know the rest)