Pedestrians versus Cyclists - Who's to Blame?

It hasn’t been confirmed that it was illegal for her to cycle on that path, it was
probably a shared pathway

And I think it’s ridiculous to talk about lack of respect

How much respect did Auriol Grey show the elderly cyclist when she charged towards her, arms flailing and swearing and caused her to fall in the road?

It’s not a shared pathway on that side of the road, possibly that’s why they have the old cycle markings on the road. There are however clearly marked shared pathways on the other side of the same road. That must create much confusion.

Spitfire there is so much to address in the video you provided,
There is no way i would be cycling at that speed on a busy road like this one - if anything happened for instance a child may run out between parked cars, a dog perhaps, then the cyclist wouldn’t have time to react.

The motorist was not blameless either, and i lost count how many times he used the F word, but by and large they both needed lessons on how to use a road safely.

Some people would have trouble communicating if they couldn’t use ‘F’ almost every other word.

Might make interesting listening to bleep out everything but the F word :slight_smile:

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Yes that car driver does seem to be an absolute prat in his open top toy!

Her conviction has been overturned…

A woman who shouted and waved at a cyclist, causing her to fall into the path of a car, has had her manslaughter conviction overturned by appeal judges.

Auriol Grey, 50, of Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, used an expletive as she told Celia Ward, 77, to “get off the pavement” in the town in 2020.

Mrs Ward, from nearby Wyton, died from her injuries.

Ms Grey, who has cerebral palsy and partial blindness, was jailed for three years at a retrial last year.

At the Court of Appeal on Wednesday, three judges overturned her conviction, leading her family to call for “lessons to be learnt”, saying that vulnerable people needed better support from the justice system.

Dame Victoria Sharp, sitting with Mrs Justice Yip and Mrs Justice Farbey, said: "In our judgment, the prosecution case was insufficient even to be left to the jury.

“In all the circumstances, we have no hesitation in concluding that the appellant’s conviction for manslaughter is unsafe.”

Auriol Grey has cyclist manslaughter conviction overturned - BBC News

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Thanks for posting the outcome Azz… :+1:

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Not sure I agree with it Bob, I’d still like to see the unedited video footage - why does the BBC zoom in cutting off the point where you’d actually be able to see whether she pushes her or not? Very odd!

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I definitely don’t agree with the result Azz, Celia Ward would be alive today were it not for the aggression from Auriol Grey. The courts have issued a licence for people to take the law into their own hands.

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I don’t think it odd Azz, this is nothing to do with the BBC.
The people concerned, lawyers, judges, jury, would have seen the full footage, and at no point did anyone accuse her of pushing the cyclist, because they know she did not.

So are you saying that if Auriol Grey had stepped aside, the outcome would have been the same Anise? There was no question that Auriol had not seen the approaching rider…

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Sorry Foxy not going through this all again. I think i said all i could say on this thread previously, and haven’t changed my mind at all. :wink:

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Fair enough Anise…Truce?
:wink:

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Absolutely Mr Fox. :+1:

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The Law is an ass :bike:

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Absolutely disgusted :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

An terrible insult to the memory of the poor cyclist and deeply hurtful to her poor family

What a tragic belittling of someone’s life

Because her life was worth nothing then? And it’s OK for an entitled old bag having a temper tantrum force her off the pavement and under a car to her death?

I hope karma catches up with the manipulative Auriol Grey soon and she doesn’t get to enjoy the freedom she’s not entitled to after wriggling out of the responsibility for what she did

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Court of Appeal Quashed Auriol Grey Conviction (youtube.com)

This surely shows that thought for the cyclist should be included in all major road schemes. The pavement can be just as dangerous as a busy road for cycling even at low speed when it is such an enjoyable and inexpensive means of transport and aerobic exercise for all age groups.

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And aren’t we all encouraged to cycle these days… :017:

Something us cyclists have been saying for years, and many councils are addressing the problem, by installing cycle routes and lanes at great expense and inconvenience to other road users.

Here where i live at the moment, there is huge disruption to one of our major roads, causing tailbacks, delays, frayed tempers and misery to everyone who is trying to get anywhere.
This is all for the safety of the cyclist as they install cycle lanes, and generally improve conditions for those that use a bicycle.

The safety of anyone who uses roads, and pavements is equally important, whether they are behind a wheel, ride a bike, or walking, as Auriol Grey was that day.

Cyclists are not ‘king’ and shouldn’t feel entitled to cycle where they please - certainly not illegally, and make any motorist or pedestrian feel threatened by their actions.
I am a cyclist, and a responsible one.
That’s my opinion.