Julie treat Realist advice for what it is, somebody who thinks he knows it all but has no personal experience!
You have been braver than many and have fought serious illnesses to be still here with you family. To me that says you have made the right decisions, for you, without the need for researching the internet.
I would suggest that you ignore his comments and do what you have always done…put your families needs first!
Genuinely yes, not just on this issue but many others too. Your posts across the forum highlight emotion and feelings rather than rational evidential enquiry. Very sincerely, I believe you would benefit from being more open and rational.
There’s no suggestion of that. Taking action is clearly necessary, but using your singular situation to support the awful practice of Mammography is plain wrong. It is harming millions of women. Emotional anecdotes are not rational thought and science.
Women need to opt for screening techniques that actually work and are reliable. Citing your singular case is unhelpful and misleading in the wider context. The facts and studies irrefutably show that Mammograms are bad, that they do more harm than good.
No-one is suggesting that we abandon women to die Julie.
There needs to be a proper reliable detection method offered that does not result in ridiculous numbers of false positives that see women having the breasts lopped off unnecessarily.
The current situation is abhorrent and its been that way for many many years. The medical industry and doctors have known the truth and facts all this time, but nevertheless have continued with Mammography screening. That’s the control and pressure of the medical industry at work. Profits before health.
Switzerland has now banned it and rightly so.
Do you not think that is significant?
Are you really, with all this evidence, suggesting that the industry continues harming women with mammography? Really?
Twink you are right and I’ll take my little emotional self and ignore any more of the long long posts against credible scientific NHS backed treatment.
Now you’re outright lying. Disappointing.
I’m not a liar
All the credible evidence highlights the harms that Mammography causes. There is no doubt about this in the medical community. There are numerous trials and studies that prove Mammography does more harm than good. Women are being harmed, even now, by the Mammography screening programme and they have been being harmed for many many years.
Do you refute all of that evidence?
If so on what basis?
If not then why are you defending this awful practice?
Because it saves lives and that’s my last word on the subject.
No problem.
It’s clear that it does save lives, but that it harms and/or takes more lives than it saves so the point is moot and toothless. That’s the issue really. I’m glad for you that you were saved but it’s clear to me that your objectivity is skewed by those events. Understandable.
Mammography is on the way out. It IS happening. Slowly.
Let’s hope that not too many women are harmed or killed before it happens.
I also agree with everything Julie says.
Realist, please remember everyone here is entitled to their own opinion whether you accept it or not.
Yep unquestionably. But in such serious matters as these are we not searching for the truth and facts rather than “opinion”? let’s keep it real.
Opinion, noun,
You can search for what you want, but I object to the way you pressure others to follow what you say. We all now know what you believe, but much of what you find on the internet has a bias that many of us have no interest in. All we are asking is that you allow others to make their own choices in life.
We are not stupid and are perfectly capable of making the right choices for us, without you input.
Julie, many of us believe you have made the right choice, in your care, but only you have the right to make that choice… so listen you yourself.
Silly comment. I don’t pressure people to follow what I say. I present facts, studies, medical trials and important data and hope people are objective enough to look at it, digest it and take it into consideration. Nothing I post is personal conjecture or opinion, it is information sourced from a wide variety of reliable sources. I realise this kind of information is not for you, or indeed Julie, but you are pretty naïve if you think I am here to try and convince people like yourself.
There are plenty of other readers willing to remain rational and objective and who appreciate the effort some put in to bring information to the forefront. Information which some would rather keep suppressed !
It’s not what I believe. I guess this is the fundamental point you consistently fail on. You persist in trying to make this personal, trying to berate me personally for highlighting the information. It’s not MY information. It is the information from respected medical practitioners and research bodies. If you can’t deal with that then probably best to just stay quiet and ignore it all. If you disagree with any of the data, just take it up with the people or bodies that produced it. Constantly ranting at the messenger is frankly puerile.
People are entirely free to believe what they want. Unicorns, fluffy angels in clouds, the efficacy of medical treatments and drugs, anything. All I do is provide more information for people to read and digest in order to make more informed decisions. You don’t appear to like or accept that. I find that pretty disturbing, much like your previous post suggesting that we effectively censor future discussion on the flu vaccine. Appalling stuff.
Great. So why do you keep popping into these threads to berate me for providing information? If you are content in your beliefs why are you engaging in the debate?
Prospective new screening method here that could really help women. Possibly the thing Annie referred to earlier.
This is the kind of thing we need to rid the world of the ridiculous Mammography situation.
[B]ONCOBlot
THE GAME-CHANGING CANCER BLOOD TEST[/B]
“The ONCOblot® test looks for tiny amount of proteins called ENOX2 in the blood. These proteins are produced by cells only when they become cancerous, and are not produced by healthy cells. The ENOX2 proteins are shed into the circulation and can be detected through an advanced patented process. These proteins serve as highly sensitive markers to confirm the presence of cancer”
“The ONCOblot® blood test can detect a tiny amount of cancer anywhere in the body, whether it has spread or not. It is estimated this test can find as few as 2 million cancer cells, which roughly corresponds to a 1 to 2mm tumour – about the size of a pin head! Compare this to a mammogram which requires a tumour to contain about 100 – 1000 times more cells (7.5mm in size) before it will be reliably detected! Even if there is no tumour, but there are more than about 2 million cancer cells floating in the blood or lymphatic system, ONCOblot® will detect the cancer with great accuracy”
"“Stage 0” cancers are also detected with high accuracy (like DCIS which is a localized cancer of the breast). What is even more impressive is that ONCOblot® also has a very low false-positive rate of less than 1% (the chance of telling you there is cancer in the body when there actually isn’t). This is extremely important because the test would not be useful if it frequently reported the presence of cancer when there was none.
In addition, ONCOblot® can identify the organ that the cancer came from (“tissue of origin”) without a scan or biopsy, with over 96% accuracy"
Probably because I am fed up of hearing you constantly repeat the same thing over & over again.:roll:
Why do you wish to keep arguing with those who have different information & beliefs?
On the other hand, perhaps you are right and we should just not take part in threads where you argue the same point about every 3rd post… so I will just put you on ignore!
But you’re not interested in the discussion and debate, so why are you even reading ?!
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Categorising such discussion as “arguing” is a classic symptom or those who simply don’t understand the process of debate and exchange or ideas. No-one is arguing. People are throwing around data, facts and opinions, some are providing source links and irrefutable facts. The process is a good one. It helps everyone move forward, it enlightens us and leads to better more informed decision making. That’s really important.
Not quite, but yes, quite possibly discussions and debates on such important topics are not for you until you learn to respect the processes involved and can contribute without persecuting the “messengers”, the people who bring information but who aren’t the creators/owners of that information.
Excellent.
I only started the thread to remind people to go for their tests. Wish I hadn’t bothered really and we could all just have ignored the help the NHS does offer us.
I cannot find any genuine news websites that confirm that Switzerland has banned mammograms.
There are plenty of “alternative health news” sites that assert it’s the case but nothing official or genuine.
And that’s the problem with a lot that is posted, no credible sources agree.
It’s a whole industry Julie. It’s impossible to tell what’s real and what’s fake news.
That’s all it takes, Julie.
Mags only started a thread to remind people about their flu jabs too, and look what happened there!
Same on the “God” threads.
So many threads completely taken over with one person’s obsessive “facts.”
