If fisheries were farmers fields there would be public outrage and Boris would have the men in grey coats round.
When brexiteers use remainer arguments like “not enough boats” and “it’s only a small % of our gdp” you know it’s a crap deal and the battle for our sovereignty needs to move up a gear. All they are doing is protecting Ted Heath #2 who is vastly more important to them than our fishing industry.
And yet you’re suggesting that you want not just fields but factories decimated and in fact encourage the process by trying to save a few quid by buying overseas rather then from a British source?
:roll:
That’s no a personal “dig” BTW but a fact of life.
People moan about shop closures and our high streets being decimated … and then spend their money on Amazon and eBay.
It has nothing to do with Remainers or Brexiteers.
It has to do with the British people and with what they want.
They would rather be able to afford their VW cars, their Miele washing mashines and their Belgian chocolate than worry about fish that they don’t even eat.
Another point you’ve missed.
Another point you’ve missed.
I’m comparing UK farmers fields with UK fisheries.
Nope.
Twice nope in fact.
Visitors here will see who has missed what.
No comment upon the issue at hand then?
What would you rather: people care about fishing or that as now they care about the things I have shown you - and how would you reconcile the differences and persuade the country that what they want doesn’t matter?
Good for you.
Just as with our seas, the land is our own.
Farmers have seen (just for one example) dairy farming decimated - but you didn’t moan about that happening and yet you think the general public will care more about fishing?
Good luck with that.
Your still not getting my point …
I did moan about farmers as well - wrong assumption.
Where have you moaned about the decline in UK dairy farming?
And why can’t you answer why I’m wrong then?
If I’m wrong say why.
Again:
Why not comment upon the issue at hand then?
What would you rather: people care about fishing or that as now they care about the things I have shown you like their cars, washing machines and chocolate - and how would you reconcile the differences and persuade the country that what they want doesn’t matter because they should be caring abourt fishermen and fish that they will not eat?
So you are speaking for 17•5 million UK voters Zaphod are you??
More if you take the Boris election result into account ??
You seem to be very offhand when dismissing large groups of people
as insignificant !!
You also seem to be unaware what sovereignty is ??
Maybe we should have a BRINO BREXIT Tread on the forum? aLOL!
Donkeyman!
BTW Thatcher destroyed more industries than Brexit ever will !!
Certainly not.
The voters speak and decide for themselves and I have always said that.
It’s you and your chums that don’t seem to like what the government they chose has implemented and it’s up to you and your chums to persuade enough other people to agree with you and change things.
Good luck.
I’ve commented 4 times and you still don’t get my point. I was comparing farmers farmland with our fisheries then you started going off on one about dairy herds and then made more stuff up about me.
Absolutely. I suppose that those people making such excuses don’t see the drawbacks of the EU monopolising our fishing areas. What’s more, they seem oblivious to the ongoing damage being done by over-fishing which, if it continues, will result in our waters becoming like the Mediterranean: almost devoid of fish.
On the contrary; I accept the democratic will of the people.
Sovereignty too.
It is you that seems not to be.
We’ve previously found your poor comprehension to be an issue so it’s hardly surprising that you question what sovereignty is, but this might help you:
As to the first, go for it.
Re: Thatcher - that’s a matter for debate.
You might like to start a thread on that too since it has zero relevance to the current thread.
Good luck with both.
And now before this again starts a descent into the nastiness of earlier attempts to engage in sensible, rational debate I will wish you goodnight.
Afore I go, you have not answered that which I asked - and that alone speaks volumes.
Why you won’t say what your supposed “point” is nobody knows.
But hurrah for peace and quiet.
Incidentally, Wilson and Callaghan destroyed more coal mines than Maggie did. It is also suggested that Scargill’s activities caused more mine closures than Maggie did!
You will find your in a minority Zaphod.
Already the Northern Ireland Protocol is being worked on to get it changed because its so bad. Rumour has it, there will be a mutual recognition agreement based on what New Zealand has with the EU. If this doesn’t happen then Northern Ireland will vote against the protocol in 2026 and force and e-border on the Ireland or Ireland 2 years after.
That means 6 years of this sh1t (4 years to get to the vote and then another 2 years to implement) thanks to Boris signing up to it. We should have walked away and then negotiated when we have tarriffs on Merkels cars.
Yes indeed.
As I have mentioned before, I was happily prepared to pay a tariff on German cars if, as I fully expected at Christmas, we had walked away.
You are quite right JBR, it was a joint effort really ?
I was mainly talking about manufacturing when Maggie over reacted
and caused hundreds of engineering firms to be sold to foreigners in
her quest to control the unions ?
You would be hard put to find a single machine tool manufacturer
in the UK today ?
Air craft firms and motor manufacturers are the same story!
UK is now a nation of shopkeepers and insurance salesmen imo?
Donkeyman!
Yes, I’m afraid that you are perfectly correct.
However, isn’t it also the case that much of our manufacturing industry was lost due to cheap labour in the Far East?
We will see, but I think that people in general are far more savvy and reasonable than you seem to think they are so I very strongly doubt it.
Going by recent events at least.
I know NI is still a works in progress and it’s me that pointed out some of the possible solutions first.
If however you seriously think that it is going to take so long for the current problems to be resolved then (again) time will tell, but it is reasonably certain that the issues will be resolved - and satisfactorily too; the Irish & NI won’t want to risk a resurfacing of difficulties because of hasty action - pretty quickly, not in either four or six years as you suggest.
That’s not to suggest that something might not happen in the future, but none of us has a crystal ball.
You’re also ignoring the open option to withdraw from the whole or part of the agreement too; is that because you at last recognize that it’s a “nuclear” option which might lead to unwanted consequences?
FWIW and completely IMHO of course, Brexit was handled incorrectly from the very beginning.
The UK should have put forward A50 and said no more than “we’re off” with no further discussion until our position as at least an equal was firmly established and fair play evident.
But what is past has been and gone.
Now is the time to accept where we are and to move on.
Again:
The consequences of where we are at regarding Brexit has very little to do with Remainers or Brexiteers.
It has to do with the British people and with what they want.
They would rather be able to afford their VW cars, their Miele washing mashines and their Belgian chocolate than worry about fish that they don’t even eat.
They would rather see UK workers in jobs supplying cars, technology and plane parts to the EU than pay tariffs on imports of the cars, washing machines and chocolate they want to buy.
You think I’m in a minority for thinking that?
We will see, but I think we both know that it’s me that is most likely be proven correct.
