I stand corrected then Swimmy, I thought his role would end after we left …
How do we get rid of him ?
Rome wasn’t buit in a day and Brexit won’t see the settlement that some want so soon either - it’s not even been two months yet.
Fishing is far from agreed yet.
Lia Nici (MP for Great Grimsby) is saying that the government are ready to play hardball with the EU over fishing:
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We don’t.
Boris can but won’t
Gove has all the dirt and a wife who is a very influential Newspaper Writer
Yes, and those eleven issues I list again here for clarity:
- EU trawlers allowed up to 6 miles from UK coast for 5.5 years.
- One third of our fishing stocks are promised to the EU ongoing.
- The Deal set up a “Partnership Council” to review the Deal for years to come – so we don’t have full control.
- The Deal sets up a RAFT of 19 specialised Committees and 4 Working Groups to review and change aspects of our relationship – bet you had never heard of them??
- Boris committed the UK to stay in the European Convention on Human Rights – Strasbourg Judges will have the power to strike down British Acts of Parliament – That is not taking back full control.
- There is still major conflict about shipments to Ulster and conflict with the Protocol.
- Gibraltar is being crucified by Spain and must join the Schengen Zone.
- The level and length of our payments to the EU have not been finalised.
- Our commitment to the European Defence Fund and the EU Defence Force, and limits to our independent Defence sourcing have not been finalised.
- The Deal did not cover Financial arrangements and freedom for the City of London – when ‘Services’ are a much larger share of our GDP than ‘Trade’.
- There are restrictions on our State Aid to commercial operations.
Most of these I was already aware of.
No. 4, however, strongly suggests that we are still tied to EU rule in some respects, despite what some have claimed: BRINO rather than BREXIT.
No. 8 also came as a surprise. I thought we had paid £39 billion, or thereabouts as the price of our so-called freedom. I didn’t know that we had to keep paying beyond that. Again, a sell-out by Boris.
These just go to show that despite all the celebrations on 1 January, we have still not fully left the EU.
Boris has played a blinder, for some reason known only to himself, and effectively kept us at least under some control of Brussels.
I sincerely hope that he and his party pay for that in 2024.
Yes, it is only the local elections, but a favourable outcome would achieve two things:
- it would send a distinct message to Boris and his party; and
- it would encourage hesitant voters to take the leap and vote for Reform UK in 2024.
Exactly. That’s why the EU still claim not to have been given enough time to ‘translate’ the agreement into its various languages.
Our PM and MPs are nothing but fools. They have fallen for everything so far that the EU have proposed, and now this lame excuse.
I am beginning to realise that Boris is either under undue influence from his colleagues to keep us tied to the EU, or that is his own personal wish which makes him no better than Treason May.
We have been had. :roll:
Shame that the government could only get one golden bullet.
The one they got was the Vaccine, which turned what looked like a massive mis-management event into a heroic victory.
Remember all the screw ups over clothing, travelling, etc?
The other event was Brexit and we weren’t given the same sort of information about what was really being discussed over there.
We thought we were being led to where we wanted to be.
There was no golden bullet there.
No heroic victory - even though we thought we had one.
In fact, we’re lucky that the EU screwed up the vaccine stuff, without that we might have been stuffed.
Still, it might be better than we suspect.
Eu boats can fish within our 12 mile limit but our boats can’t do the same with Frances 12 mile limit.
It’s crap
This is what happens when we elect a journalist as prime minister
Surely, if the current trade deal is not ratified, it can be torn up…by either side.
So it’s in the EU’s interest to pull their finger out.
You would think so wouldn’t you.
But it isn’t!
Whatever they may say publicly and in the press, they clearly want to keep the current situation ticking over.
They like the trade deal that Boris sold us out to.
It benefits them more than us in many ways.
Why do you think they are still playing for time, and they know that Boris is on their side and happy for the present situation to continue.
I believe Boris is hoping that over the next three years we will begin to get used to things and forget about the continuing disadvantages.
He may even have a little trick up his sleeve, possibly in agreement with Brussels, to introduce some minor concession to make BRINO look good and to discourage us from turning away from his party in 2024.
In my opinion, we really do need a new leader. Not like Treason May and Boris, but someone we can trust.
If they can spin this out until 2026 when the fisheries agreement ends, just out of coincidence it is also when our agreement with the EU on energy supply ends too.
Not difficult to work out what’s going to happen… 
I know what should be happening.
We should be building more nuclear power stations right now, not just because of the EU holding us to ransom, but also because of this other silly idea of banning petrol and diesel cars in favour of electric ones.
As for gas, I don’t know the the solution if the EU cuts off our supply, other than making an agreement with Russia for an independent supply.
You’re using that nasty “common sense” argument again.
You know that using logic doesn’t go down very well with the extremists.
It is indeed in their interests just as much as it is ours, which is why a deal was reached in the first place of course.
It might not be a perfect deal but since when has perfection been achieved in the world of politics?
There are, as with every deal, winners and losers as well as satisfied and dissatisfied.
Quite honestly, after nigh-on fifty years of integration what did some people expect?
It’s quite funny seeing the whinging on display and then - at the same time - seeing the positive aspects discussed and cheered by the same posters, as with the UK’s vaccination plan and the number of new offices for financial services.
If the whingers here think there are problems now they really ought to have the nous to understand that having no deal would inevitably have led to more and larger problems.
As it is, it is going to take time for the dust to settle and for us to reach a new “normal”.
Sorry. 
Looks like UK recovery could be well and truly shafted if Sunak brings in his corporation tax hikes and capital gains tax hikes.
If this is true this is seriously bad news for Brexit Britain. This along with the IR35 rules will effectively destroy thousands of small businesses and service providers.
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Nothing has actually been said & the budget is on Wednesday next week.
It’s all speculation; theorizing; guesswork.
By whom?
Our media, perchance?
Or is it a bit of a “nudge” reminder that Tory strategy is to cut corporation tax and that this has the effect of increasing receipts?
I don’t know Bread, you must walk around in a state of perpetual panic.
I don’t know all the ins and outs of this particular matter, but our present situation does tend to suggest that there are groups within our government and, of course, the civil service which ally themselves with the EU.
I have never understood why our own people should do this (including the common remoaners as well, of course). Perhaps it is in their own personal interests to support a foreign power.
Of course, we had Moseley and the Black Shirts during the Second World War.
That’s true enough; history does indeed suggest that such nefarious practices are not uncommon.
It’s the size of the factions which counts though and here I think is where the current government holds the upper hand - or at least it seems to.
I see for example that the ERG have proposed a solution to the Irish Sea difficulty, and this group is both influential and powerful within the party.