Kiwis Ban Smoking for anyone born after 2009

Eeekkkkk, I’d rather stick with chocolate. :astonished:

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You could say the same about sugar Boot, apparently ten times more addictive than tobacco.
And a cigarette doesn’t make blokes want to go home and give the wife a good hiding like alcohol does. Not that I would know anything about that, I don’t drink. Horrible stuff!

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There is no safe dose of tobacco, all the other products mentioned on here such as alcohol and chocolate are harmless in moderation and might even have some health benefits. On the other hand tobacco products kill half the people that use them and can cause chronic illness in the rest.

The idea that it is for government control makes absolutely no sense, if the government wanted to control the population then what better way than legalising and making addictive substances easier to obtain? Yet here they are removing a harmful substance and the usual suspects are outraged.

It’s a no brainer, any society is better off without tobacco products. Smoking in Australia is now down to 10% of the adult population with the measures it has put in place but getting it down to zero is very hard, the Kiwis should be congratulated for going the extra step.

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Quite right.They even have to put this will kill you on the packet.You don’t get that on a fruit and nut.

I was speaking for myself in my post, so I couldn’t say the same about sugar or alcohol.
I have never been addicted to sugar. I’ve never been that keen on sweet foods - and I started rejecting sugary drinks in infant school, as soon as I was old enough to express a preference.
I’ve never been addicted to alcohol, either - although I do enjoy some alcoholic drinks, I can take it or leave it.

I have known men who beat their wives when they were sober too. :slightly_frowning_face:

The other thing is that chocolate and alcohol do not effect others in the same way that smoking does. You don’t have passive alcohol or chocolate health effects. But people in the same room can get sick from inhaling someone else’s smoke.

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Well don’t sit in the same room as a smoker Annie…

That’s your top tip for the day done. You’ve earned a rest :wink::joy::joy:

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I remember when I first started working having to sit in offices where people would be allowed to smoke. You couldn’t escape the fumes in those days. It wasn’t taken seriously until Roy Castle died.

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Than god we don’t have to any more but for years non smokers had to put up with cigarette smoke ruining their meals polluting their hair and clothes . It’s was impossible to go on a plane or to a cinema without being covered with their toxic fumes .

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You’re joking aren’t you Annie?
Alcohol affects a large amount of other people.
Try walking around any town or city on a Saturday night especially. Fighting, urinating in the street, lots of police trying to keep the peace, and worst of all, violence to hospital staff in the A&E. Not to mention the domestic violence and abuse when the drunks get home.
Smokers just quietly get on with killing themselves and not bothering anyone else and how many smoking drivers have killed people on our roads like drunk drivers have? It’s not their job to look after your health, that’s your job to avoid the smoky environments.

The hand wringing holier than thou busybodies, backed by the government have hounded smokers almost into none existence based on the fact that one celebrity allegedly died of lung cancer because he worked in smoke filled clubs (I know people even now with lung cancer, who have never smoked in their lives, and have avoided smoky environments) My mum (God bless her) worked 45 years as a bus conductor in busses that were nothing but smoke wagons, she never had any problems with her lungs or the smokers, just drunks. Good riddance to the smoke filled public transport, pubs, and cinemas, even as a ex smoker some of these establishments were unbearable, so now smokers have been relegated to outdoors, so leave them alone to die in peace.

If you are so concerned about peoples health why not pick on big pharma who gave you the untested covid vaccines that have probably claimed more lives than smoking or covid…

Are you honestly suggesting @OldGreyFox that secondary smoking is harmless?

Well I can’t get enough cakes, biscuits, and deserts smothered in custard Boot. I have always had a sweet tooth (what’s left of them) but fortunately being a long distance walker and runner I’m not as far through as a chip, and there’s nowt’ wrong with me…
:sunglasses:

Isn’t that a thing of the past now with all the anti smoking legislation?

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Wouldn’t it be ironic if a Kiwi Politician was caught enjoying a sly puff. :grin:

Yep. It seems that young MrFox may think it was all entirely unnecessary and (based upon his earlier posts) was actually something to do with crowd control rather than protecting health.

Only if they were born after 2009 :wink:

Reading the Opening Post of the thread topic, the new legislation in New Zealand makes it illegal to supply tobacco to anyone born after 2008. I expect the date has been chosen so that existing smokers will be left alone to continue their smoking habit if they want to - the only people affected by the ban will be those who are currently under 14 years old.
They are doing those kids a favour by helping them not to get addicted in the first place.

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I have to declare an interest, having smoked around a quarter of a million cigarettes during my life, with periods of abstinence of varying lengths of time (currently nearly 14 months).

I’ve often wondered what makes some people become addicted to tobacco…My Father was a heavy smoking 60 a day Man,My Mother like Me and My two Brothers never smoked,but My two Sisters did until They were around the age of 40…The Father of My 3 Children never smoked either,but They did,the 2 Girls gave up but My Son never will as He says He likes it and no pleading/nagging will ever make Him change His mind…but I live in hope!