Is the French Way the Way to Go?

Now that the US is proving to be a fickle ally is France proving to be Europe’s saviour?

Charles de Gaulle was probably the most important French leader ever, he was abused by that pig Churchill (who was nobody’s friend) but he recognised that the USA (and to a lesser extent the UK) were not reliable friends and ensured that never again would France be at their mercy if they were invaded.

He made France able to defend itself with an independent nuclear weapon and large defence industry unlike the rest of Europe which relies almost entirely on the USA.

Trump has shown the strength of de Gaulle’s argument and the weakness of the rest of Europe. The trust in the US as an ally has been severely shaken and that trust will take a long time to re-build after Trump has gone.

Is France an alternative ally to America?

So long as the orange toddler is in charge, anyone is a better ally than the USA…

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Well Canada seem to think stronger ties with Europe, whilst not France specifically, are a better option.

Didn’t de Gaulle hate England? Even though he was happy to flee here after France fell? He wasn’t keen on the US either.

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You can blame the appalling way Churchill treated him during the war for that.

I admire Macron for standing up to Trump without using derogatory language. I wouldn’t have minded, but he does hold respect for France.

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In one respect France has always been an ally, and a trustworthy one for that matter. Only when it comes to nuclear defence the rest of Europe is looking on France to provide shelter. Yes, the French way is the way to go simply because there’s no other way. Europe has had good reasons (e.g. non-proliferation) to rely on the US and as long as they don’t withdraw their nukes from the continent, there’s hope that the US will remain an ally. But they are right in demanding more European commitment that they are seeing in Europe now.

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The presidential elections are next year in France and Marie le Pen seems to be well placed to win. The left are divided and behaving as if any of their candidates can win but in reality they have little chance. Melenchon is unable to compromise and is too far left for most voters. There are too many centre right candidates none of whom are willing to step back to avoid a National Rally & le Pen win. It is not certain as the two stage voting process can throw up unexpected results.
But should le Pen win this will significantly change French international politics. I’d expect le Pen to suck up to Trump and try to damage the EU.

If it hadn’t been for Churchill, the Polish and the Russians we would all be goose stepping down the mall now.
Obviously you hate Britain Bruce and can safely name call and criticise the country of your birth from thousands of miles away but some of us live here and love Britain despite all of it’s faults and mistakes over the years. Without which, we would not be the country where people from all over the world desire to come and live.
Personally, I would rather snuggle up to Putin and Russia than France or indeed America in it’s present state.

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Sounds as though you don’t think very highly of France and the US, Bob. For those who had to live under Russian rule the choice is clear: Go West.

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That was the past Dachs, I wouldn’t trust the US or France as far as I could throw them. At least with Russia you expect devious stuff but we think the US and France are our friends…Don’t you believe it. I would trust any other european country more than those two.

What! Why is disliking an appalling leader and drunk “hating Britain”? Do you hate Britain because you disliked Starmer? Or hate Britain because you admire the woman that did her best to break the country?

If anything the opposite is true.

Britain’s allies certainly were instrumental in winning the war and preventing goose stepping down to the mall. Churchill was like Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson he had a way with words but was nobody’s friend but his own.

BTW I certainly don’t subscribe to the warm but very woolly theory that Britain “stood alone” when the reality is that the Commonwealth rushed to its aid in 1939

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