Ice melting / Fly infestations?

Greenland and Alaska glaciers are melting at an unprecedented
rate, Russian and Finnish states innundated by hordes of
flies, thought to be caused by the artic tundra thawing out!
Climate change is really happehing, and if the tundra continues
to thaw then us humans are really in trouble, because that
is likely to release billions of cubic feet of greenhouse
gassess and so increase the rate of temp increases?
We could be near the so called tip over point right now?
What can we do? Nobody really knows?
Sorry to bugger your weekend up!

Regards Donkeyman!

The planet has been here before, when the polar ice caps receded and sea levels rose Donkeyman, much of the landmass was covered in water. Even the outback in Australia was several fathoms submerged as Opal being mined now was deposited thousands of years ago by seawater permeating the rock. Fossils of sea creatures have been found high up on mountains that were once submerged.

The problem is…we weren’t here then…:frowning:

Your last sentence caused me to change what I was going
to say OGF
Perhaps we can utilise all the ocean liners sailing around
at the moment, trouble is they would be full of politicians
and billionares!
Regards Donkeyman!

Funny enough Donkeyman, I have been reading about this only this evening.

The article said . . . " 1st August 2019, saw the biggest loss of ice in a single day from the Greenland Ice sheet: 12.5 billion tonnes of ice melted into the sea!"

It also says: " For the UK changes mean wetter weather and more risk of flooding near the coast.
In other areas of the world, climate change is making extreme weather events such as droughts, heatwaves, storms and wildfires more likely to happen - and much worse when they do.

"The changes are also disrupting the delicate balance of life on every continent, endangering entire communities of living things.
Many animals are moving in response to changing climate. For example, Mosquitoes that carry Malaria are spreading as the world warms up.

" The oceans soak up most of the extra heat, but this then affects sea life.
Sea turtles are under pressure. Rising seas are flooding the beaches where they lay their eggs. Hotter sand also affects the sec of turtles hatching from these eggs.
A study carried out in Australia in 2018 found that 99% of new green sea turtle hatchlings were female.

“Also, warmer water damages the sea anemones that provide a safe hiding place for the Clownfish, and when these fish get stressed out, they stop laying eggs.”

There is much more to the article, this is only a tiny part of it, but it shows how every form of life will be - and is being - affected, not just humans.
I honestly don’t know what will happen to life in the future.

We have about 250 glaciers and all are retreating. I remember visiting Fox Glacier back in 2007.
Get an idea of scale if you look for the people in the marked area.

From the way these things are escalating now begs the
question , has the trigger point been reached or even passed
allready??
Evidence is that we are at least on the cusp of irreversable
change?
Can anybody tell me what we can do to effect these natural
processes that are underway at the moment??
I am unable to see us being able to act quickly or effectively
enough to alter things?
Have a nice day!

Donkeyman!

I can’t answer that donkeyman, but if we have not already gone through ‘the point of no return’ I feel we must be close.
The worrying thing is, people are not heeding warnings and are still carrying on regardless.

Even if we stopped burning fossil fuels and cutting down forests now, the greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere would continue to warm our planet for decades. And we are not even stopping yet.

We wait and wait for people in authority to tell us what to do instead of learning and thinking for ourselves.

The write up I was reading said we call ALL do small things to help make a difference, but the majority of people don’t seem willing to give anything up.

Quote: "Everything we buy, watch, eat and wear takes energy to make, and because of 80% of the worlds’s energy comes from fossil fuels, that creates even more greenhouse gases.

“Food is a good place to start. Why not find out where our food comes from and how it was produced. Many foods that go off quickly are flowin in by aeroplane - a huge source of greenhouse gases.”

In my opinion, as someone said earlier, it doesn’t help because we have come to all expect ‘out of season’ fruit & veg, which inevitable comes from abroad.

We’ll have to grow our own again, and all keep some hens for fresh eggs for a start! Pity I haven’ got my dairy goats any more too! :smiley:

In  the  so  called  developed  nations  Mups  most  of  us  believe
technology  will  come  to  our  rescue  and  the  underdeveloped

nations are basically helpless?
The only hope we have is that some natural event will
intervene to break the cycle we are in?

Regards Donkeyman!

Seems the southern hemisphere has similar bproblems to
the north ciderman?

Regards Donkeyman!

I have just responded to your post on Butterflies before reading this post, Mups .
So many individual concerns are raised and we attempt to understand, and do understand so much more than we used to. On the other hand, we seem to be blindly moving forward with the latest scientific experiment, or technological achievement without understand anything of the impact outside of our own vision until maybe it’s too late.
I believe nature will survive, on one level or another, but if the great cycle of the balance of nature is severed, we will suffer indirectly for a long time.
We only have to see how the vultures in Africa are being threatened. Scavengers of dead carcasses and the only creature that is able to digest the bacteria of botulinum, cholera and anthrax. They feed off the carcasses of elephants that have been poisoned by poachers,(reports indicate that an elephant is slaughtered every 25 mins in Africa) In turn other wildlife such as insects and grubs feed off the dead vultures and also die from the poison in the system and so it goes on. Yet again, the end result is only to satisfy the consumer markets whether legal or illegal.
Climate change and ice caps melting, would seem to be a very big wake-up call of human activity gone massively wrong from a different perspective .

It never was in our control Mups, natural production of greenhouse gases far outweighs anything man produces. Even without the human race the climate would carry on morphing as it has done for the last millions of years. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try and make the world a better place for our species, but ultimately nature will have the last word…

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So do you believe that these changes have never taken place before in the history of the world Puddle Duck? Have they only occured recently due to man’s involvement?
And do you think that man has the ability to alter the direction of nature?
And if we could alter the direction of nature do you think something equally nasty would be the result?

Read my signature at the bottom of the page…

I replied with a fairly good logic,( I thought :lol:) but once I pressed the button, it went down the pan. So annoying !

Will come back in the morning and try again. Night

No problem Puddle Duck, it’s happened to me in the past and you lose the will to live…:frowning:
I either write my long posts on MS Word or keep pressing copy to save what I’ve written…:wink:

OGF…
Yes, agreed these changes have taken place before, millions of years ago. The difference now is that what was a slow ecological process, has now speeded up to massive changes within a human lifetime.
There are 7.5 billion people on this planet, and that must surely have had an impact and still does have a greater impact with the destruction caused and following on of the 'domino effect ’

Whether we can change things, who knows ? I doubt there is any quick solution whatever we do. Our oceans from north to south are polluted, that’s nothing to do with natural phenomena. The earth has been shaken to the core with bombs dropping and nuclear disasters like Japan and Chernobyl, and on August this year radioactive gases swept across a Russian town released from a an explosion at a test sight. How many more we don’t hear about ?
Space travel, the mighty take offs, polluting the skies .
All these things go into the atmosphere and are dispersed elsewhere.
How do we know what is going on below in the deepest part of our oceans ? Earthquakes and tsunamis from the seas could be causing bubbling and hotting up of the oceans also.
The tectonic plates of the earth are shifting, we’ve had earthquakes causing tsunamis and shifting the axis of the earth , once in Indonesia and more recently in Japan where the coast moved 8 ft . All these things contribute to a change in a cycle , and we need to know how we can assist our beautiful planet .
Where we have natural disaster which must play a huge part, scientists seem to build on what we already have, being more destructive and experimental and they seem unable to turn the clock backwards , but that’s not in their job description…
Energy, oil, gases, food , livestock for 7.5 billion people , must impact the natural world.

You are correct OGF! We have always been at the mercy, ( not
the right word l know ) of nature?
The way l look at it we are surfing a wave, and can control
where we go to a small degree, but ultimately we are totally
dependent on the wave?
Our problem is we are not satisfied with the pace of nature
We allways want things quicker, /more/ or for less or for
nothing!!
One day the BIG wave will come and All life will cease on
this planet whatever we do or dont do!
Have a good week!

Donkeyman!

I agree with Foxy and Donkeyman too, about us being at the mercy of nature and how it has all happened before.
I do however, think we are speeding up the inevitable.

Thats debateable Mups? But l agree we must do all we can
as it can only be to our benefit anyway?

Regards Donkeyman!

What do you disagree with, Donkeyman?
The fact we are speeding things up, or that it is inevitable?

No doubt climate change would have happened anyway but there is not much doubt that we are speeding it up by releasing fossil fuels on a big scale and by being too successful as a species with our population explosion.