How Loyal Are You To Your Country?

If you were born in a country but had lived all your life in another country and become a citizen of that country, where would your loyalties lie?
If there was a war, who would you fight for, or if you were a sportsperson, which country would you represent?

If you aren’t loyal to the country that you weren’t born in but it has given you so much… should you not go back to the country where you were born?

It’s not so much the country as who you are with that matters.

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This is my country and I have no complaints…I would never want to live anywhere else.

I would go as far to say…,I Love my country,:heartpulse:

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Scotland is my Country, and like Pauline I love my Country and do not want to live elsewhere. Ever.

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I have loyalty to the UK where I was born and also to Canada where we emigrated years ago. I could live in either. Fortunately, these countries are unlikely to go to war with each other and I would not like to have to choose between the two if it came to a war.

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I don’t feel any loyalty to this country, especially at the moment. The whole idea of base patriotism is repugnant to me.

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To Wales…
Passionately so

To the UK…
Mehhh

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Ditto…Alba Gu Brath,

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Repugnant, no less. :slightly_smiling_face:

The word “patriotism” seems to be defined very differently by different people, and is pretty meaningless as a generalisation.

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I certainly have a sense of loyalty towards my country, but I’m afraid I can’t muster up anything approaching passion. :slightly_frowning_face:

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Patriotism, variously described as. The last refuge of a Scoundrel, the first bolthole of a hypocrite & the virtue of the vicious.

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I am Irish by birth and Yorkshire by adoption - and am perfectly comfortable with both situations.

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I wall always be a Scot.

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P’raps it depends on how old you were when you moved?

Because I think a lot of our loyalty grows or childhood, grand parents, history, family stories, learning the familiar ways and traditions which comfort and soothe us and make us feel this is where we belong

And after there’s the teenage years, we all feel affection for the place we were young, I think

And then marrying and the familiarity of bringing up your children and building a life here

If you moved to another country as a baby, most of those experiences would be in a your new country and I think you’d feel loyal to there

If you move later on in life, I think you’d feel more torn, but I think it’s in childhood that your love for your country grows

Take me for example, I’ve lived in the South West for over 30 years now and brought my children up here

But I’m still loyal to London where I was born and grew up and think of myself a Londoner

And if it comes to a street fight between London and the South West, I know which side of the barricades I’ll be on!

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My son is Russian and holds dual citizenship in the US and Russia, though he would not be protected by the US consulate if he was ever to travel in Russia and get into trouble. He refuses to travel there because he believes there is a remote but possible chance that he could be set up and arrested. Not an outrageous idea if you think about it. I could have rescinded his citizenship because it is not my decision to make. He retains it as a hedge against political instability. You never know.

He is fiercely, patriotically American - fiscally conservative, geopolitically conservative (hawkish - he’s young), and a social moderate. He and we have always maintained an interest in Russian history, the homeland, culture, and genetics (migration, ethnic groups, etc.), but it stops there.

As for Eileen Gu, the American snowboarder who chose to ski under the Chinese, flag, her’s was an extraordinary ignorant and greedy (advertising contracts) whim. I am not a fan.

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That’s interesting Surfermom that you have a Russian / American son .
There is no harm in having two passports that’s for sure .
My Australian son has two passports British / Australian .
My sons were born in a country that doesn’t give state to non nationals and their father was from South America from a country that also does not give state to children of nationals born out side the country .
Britain does, my children are British by decent and one is loyal to Britain the other to Australia .

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Since Brexit I have met many people who are Irish ( Irish members please don’t take offence ) who rejoice in the fact that they have an Irish passport even though they have never lived in Ireland .
They are lucky as they have all the benefits of travel and medical facilities in Europe while still living in the U.K.
As a child going to a catholic school there was often a bitterness towards the English from children of Irish parents because of the way the English had treated the Irish in time past , Black and Tans etc etc .
My best friends parents were like this and were a source embarrassment to their children who were born and educated right through university in the U.K.
Wars make people think where their loyalties really lie and basically stand up and be counted .
During the Falklands war many ‘Anglo ‘ Argentines ( people who had British decent ) had to chose with whom to fight .
Nearly all of them chose the country they lived in Argentina .

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I would have thought it obvious. I am a citizen of Australia by choice not an accident of birth so loyalties lie there. Having said that I am not a flag waving patriot either thinking the place can do no wrong.

As for my country of birth? Nice to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there.

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A slight digression, Well, two.
I spent a few months in Taiwan. While I was there I had to report to the local police police station to ensure my documentation was in order. Well defined me as English. They had no definition for British far less Scots. So I remained English.

The other take was when we were waiting for an interminable wait for an aircraft to board. As people do we chatted with a few passengers. A lady commented, correctly, that my wife was American and that I was English. I corrected her, very nicely, that I was British as was she was.

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I’m loyal to the planet.

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