How "Embedded With Your Political Party" Are You?

[Donkeyman]

@ Tedc, Yeah. you are right Ted, l think Boris had promised
Nigel a good position in the government if he got elected ?
But being Boris, he renaged on the deal and then ostracized
Nigel once he got the landslide victory in the election !
Unfortunately for us Boris also lied when he said he would " Get
Brexit Done" !! What we got, was what Boris considered to be
Brexit ??
Frosty seems able to say no to the EU , but we will see this
week end when the so called French fishing deadline expires??
Donkeyman!

[Lindyloo]

John Major, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke and Chris Patten are all senior Conservative politicians who are demonstrating that their concern for the country outweighs their political allegiances. They have all announced that even Tory supporters should put their trust in one of the other parties. These guys value honesty and integrity - which are commodities that the current administration has no idea about at all.

Boris is a shitty smear on the face of British politics.

Dated: 7th December 2019

[Tedc]

@Lindyloo

John Major, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke and Chris Patten are all senior Conservative politicians who are demonstrating that their concern for the country outweighs their political allegiances

The majority voted for Brexit.

These guys may not be the best example of MPs who press for what the Majority want.

In fact, some went well beyond the limit in trying to prevent it!

They’re dead men walking!

[Donkeyman]

@ Lindyloo, Yes but, are those geezers in your link leavers, or
remainders Lindy ??
It is imperative that any new government should be in favour
of leaving the EU if any vestige of democracy still exists in
the political establishment ??
Donkeyman!
PS. I question the assertion they have any integrity too ??

[JBR]

@Donkeyman

I have become a floating voter !
I think the only one l could vote for at present is Lord Frost ?
But he would have to leave the Tories and become an independent or summat ! The Tories are so riddled with
remainders that Frosty would be quickly neutered or ejected by
them if he tried to complete Brexit properly ?
So he needs to start another form of conservatism ! In which
he dumps much of the existing civil service and establishment
structures , maybe joining with reform UK or some other like
minded body !!
He seems to be the only one present that has the interests of
the UK at heart? Every one else seems to think that Brexit has
been" Done" and are now busy with petty squabbles etc ?
Unless something happens to change things l have given up
on UK ever becoming a place with a future again !

I agree. I’d very much like to see the disgruntled Conservative MPs form a group with a common interest of returning the party to its previous form. I’d like to see them allying themselves with Reform UK in the hope that enough people vote for either the break-away Conservatives or even some of the Reform UK candidates who stand.
I realise that Reform UK does not have as much public support as they need, and probably won’t have for a long time (if ever). However, if we have a number of ex-Conservative MPs standing as independents and even a few Reform UK candidates, we could have the beginnings of a new political party which does not suffer from the disastrous Boris and Carrie all-green Conservative party.

[JBR]

@Tedc

Thinking back, Nigel only came into power (IMO) on the back of the Public feelings about the need to leave the EU.

I’m still not clear why Nigel did not strike a better deal, with Boris, when Boris was getting “back In”.

That must have been a time when Nigel could have stood his ground a bit more.

That leads me to thinking what would happen if, at another election, the same questions get asked.

Maybe, this time, more influence would be with Nigel, if he choses to have another go!

Trouble is, the Party has no seats & is not influencing the public much?

I’m not sure what agreements, if any, were made between Boris and Nigel. All I am aware of is that Nigel’s party stood down in order to split the vote and allow Labour in.

Of course the party has no seats. That’s because so many people are afraid to vote for them because they believe that no-one else will! Is that what they call a ‘self-fulfilling prophesy’?

[JBR]

@Donkeyman

@ Tedc, Yeah. you are right Ted, l think Boris had promised
Nigel a good position in the government if he got elected ?
But being Boris, he renaged on the deal and then ostracized
Nigel once he got the landslide victory in the election !
Unfortunately for us Boris also lied when he said he would " Get
Brexit Done" !! What we got, was what Boris considered to be
Brexit ??
Frosty seems able to say no to the EU , but we will see this
week end when the so called French fishing deadline expires??

I wasn’t aware of that, but of course it rings completely true as Boris is behaving very much like that right now.