I think you can be critical of individual GPs, consultants, nurses etc… but you have a professional investment in the medical model. That’s not meant as negatively critical and provides balance. I am overly-attached to the legal model having worked in law most of my life.
I do not believe medical practitioners know my body better than I do, despite them studying 10, 12 or 14 years. From my experience of the NHS is that they do seem to operate from a position of one-size fits all -it doesn’t.
I think they have been left embarrassed and ashamed to be perfectly honest with you - and hopefully, have reflected on their half-knowledge and how it is a dangerous thing.
I certainly feel sorry for their patients who put complete faith in them.
Some great points there Baxter.
And I think you will find that I have said that myself many times.
I am under no illusion that the medicos are infallible. They are human for godsake. They err … as do we all.
BUT - one has only to look at the ‘miracles’ they perform daily.
Children who would previously have died, live long and healthy lives,
cancer victims DO often survive,
people with horrible wounds and burns are saved.
Many, many diseases have all but been eradicated etc etc etc.
Preventative medicine works in so many ways. Sight and hearing are often restored.
Longevity is today’s bonus.
I have survived a life-threatening problem which I certainly would not like to have entrusted to the nay-sayers and wannabe health-gurus.
I see the glorification of the medical industry as the biggest problem. Of course individuals make errors - the problem is an entire industry fixated on a mechanistic view of the body, in my opinion is just plain wrong.
Just look at the way the body is split up into specialisms - neurology, respiratory, upper-GI, etc… it’s as if one part of the body has no impact on another part. The body is the sum of all its parts.
More importantly things “outside” of the body have a huge impact i.e external stressors, the medical model fails to take these into account e.g give a child an inhaler to ameliorate his/her asthma so that he/she can continue living on a main road in a bedroom on the ground floor where diesel fumes are pumped in on a 24 hour basis.
You claim that many diseases have been eradicated - as I’ve argued before most life-threatening diseases have been eradicated through improved hygiene, nutrition, decreased pollution and general affluence.
Everyday “Miracles” don’t come cheap - not just in terms of the vast amounts of money spent on a disease but also in the numbers of animals used in experimentation.
Increased longevity is a bonus??? Have you visited a geriatric ward recently? I cannot view it as a bonus.
I visit my GP who thankfully is a left-wing, aging hippy and shares my views.
Sorry to dispute your claims. You know how your body FEELS better than they do… BUT you do NOT know how your body WORKS better than they do. You do not know how to treat specifice pathophysisology or diseases. It’s fine to be proactive in your healthcare and colaborate with your physician…It’s great that you take an interest in your nutrition, but NEVER think you know more… because you don’t… You are playing a very dangerous game with your life.
Good post Pumice.
Are you seriously suggesting that the medical profession don’t know that? :shock:
More importantly things “outside” of the body have a huge impact i.e external stressors, the medical model fails to take these into account e.g give a child an inhaler to ameliorate his/her asthma so that he/she can continue living on a main road in a bedroom on the ground floor where diesel fumes are pumped in on a 24 hour basis.
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[B]Again are you seriously saying that the medical profession are ‘unaware’ of external factors’?
Do you think then that a doctor can/should physically force make a family move house?[/B]…:shock:
Originally Posted by Baxter8
I see the glorification of the medical industry as the biggest problem. Of course individuals make errors - the problem is an entire industry fixated on a mechanistic view of the body, in my opinion is just plain wrong.
Just look at the way the body is split up into specialisms - neurology, respiratory, upper-GI, etc… it’s as if one part of the body has no impact on another part. The body is the sum of all its parts.
To echo Pats… do you SERIOUSLY believe that MDs are not aware of the entire body? Do you think that there are medical schools ONLY teaching one particular body system and that a person entering into… say Kidney School, has no inkling about what is being taught in…perhaps Lung School?
Seriously? You DO realize that an MD has to go through each and every rotation in medical school. They have to study ALL the body systems Baxter…and pass their Boards Only then do they go into their internship… and AFTER that they declare a specialty and focus on that… OR perhaps stay as a General Practicioner.
[B]This thread has gone off-topic, so I’ve posted another here: http://www.over50sforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=43
Please continue all non-PPI/acid-surrpression medicine chat there, thanks.[/B]
I take Ranitidine…have been for over 12 yrs, now. Started out on Prevacid, dr decided it to be too strong, so she switched me to Rantidine.
Before taking the meds, I would wake up at night gagging through the coughs from the acid. I constantly kept a hoarse voice, which scared me into seeking the dr for the symptons…
After starting these meds, I no longer have the hoarse voice, but, I occassionaly, get the coughs which are aggravated by the things that I consume… 
I have been on them approx. one year problems with acid build up. I find they work for me.
Hello Kierra - that’s great gal 
Don’t eat nuts - all them little gritty bits will aggravate …
My hubby takes Losec for acid reflux with no problems at all.
(Losec is not suitable for everyone and some people should never use it)
I take lansoprazol every day. It’s definitely made me feel better.
I asked my doc to please help me get off Omeprazole and explained the trouble I get when I’ve tried leaving them off, so she put me on Esomeprazole!!! Can’t get it through to anybody! The common side effects are guess what, DIARROEAH!!! If this doesn’t work only then will she consider asking for an endoscopy!!! Fed up now!!!
I have been taking prilosec for well over 10 years as it was discovered I had a hyatel hernia…if I spelled that correctly. I was suffering heartburn from something as simple as a glass of water! I had an endoscopy and dr. Prescribed nexium which insurance did not cover so next best was the prilosec. Both prilosec and nexium are over the counter medicines here in the USA now but before starting any medicine always get an exam from your dr. As something serious could be going on. It has helped me very much but its true when you stop taking it the stomach acid can double to make up for it not being there due to the proton pump inhibitors in the meds. But in my case as cancer of the esophagus runs in my family and my mom and uncle passed away from it…the dr.told me the benefits outweigh the risk . I also have lost a few pounds and that helps too.
Just reporting back to say I have now been off Acid Suppression medicines for two weeks - I weaned off them, over the course of about a month. The interesting thing is, once I got to half a tablet, and kept reducing, I actually felt better when I actually completely stopped - which supports the theory that taking them actually makes your body feel like it has to produce more.
Here is the link to the article which I used to get off them:
http://www.endfatigue.com/tools-support/How-To-Get-Off-Acid-Blockers---Naturally.html
Mainly liquorice and D-limonene 
Thanks so much for sharing that link as I believe that is very true about the foods we consume these days. Makes alot of sense for sure!
