Have you taken any acid suppression medicines?

You mentioned the name Lansoprazole,which i was prescribed this last month, after getting really bad soreness in my upper chest , symptoms came on worse when lying down and bending over .
Its just a one off month supply of capsules which ive only taken when it was bad,i know i was suppose to take one in a morning ,but just took it when needed.
So are you suggesting theres something wrong with the prescription tablets you have mentioned?

Canā€™t remember the name of the stuff I was on for about 2 years, losing weight solved my problem, no more acid reflux at night, so I have been off it for a year now. Never had a problem with it whatever it was.

Hubs suffers badly, but we are not keen on drugs, so he takes Gaviston, he has to take something unfortunately ā€¦

I also take omeprazole without problems. Such a joy to not wake at night choking on acid. The brand name Prilosec is sold OTC here. Itā€™s been a blessing.

Iā€™ve been on omeprazole for many years, couldnā€™t do without them. Never had any side affects just relief from pain.

Thanks for the replies everyone :slight_smile:

I am very much against the use of acid-surpression medicines unless in life-threatning situations. The industry is one of the largest in the pharmaceutical industry, worth billions - that should probably tell us something!

Our bodies produce acid for a very good reason. Two, in fact. The first is to help digest food (in particular, proteins) the second is to kill any microbes ingested with food.

Both are essential - by stopping acid production your body canā€™t properly assimilate minerals such as magnesium, and as some proteins are partially digested, can cause intolerances or other problems. Pathogenic microbes that would usually be killed by the acid, are also free to infect or colonise parts of the bowel that they never otherwise would - and once they do that they are very hard to clear. Interfering with this mechanism then, is very dangerous imo.

The funny thing is, as we age our bodies actually produce less acid - yet the older generation are a significant size of the market! :lol:

They are addictive

By suppressing acid your body attempts to produce even more (because it desperately needs it!) it does this through a variety of mechanism such as with the gastrin hormone. So when you try to stop or reduce your dosage, you get a (sometimes massive) rebound effect - which can end up making you much worse! No wonder the industry is worth billions - we get trapped!

So what can you do?

As it happens, a lot. You can first try to figure out what the root cause is. But obviously itā€™s not easy as waving a magic wand and getting an answer. So going on a general cleansing diet may be a good idea.

You should then try to repair your mucous lining. Which you can do by taking natural supplements, such as liquorice (get DGL if you suffer with blood pressure problems). D-limonene, mastic gum, and L glutamine. Thereā€™s lots more you can do, but that is a good start. After two months of this, you can probably start weaning off - if youā€™re on PPIs, go to H2Anatagonists (such as ranitidine) then slowly wean off then completely.

If anyone fancies trying it and has any questions or wants help, just let me know!

I have been considering writing a healing diet - wonder if anyone here would be interested?

Hi Azz, I am 80 years of age and enjoy good health, with the help of various tablets. Just 2 things bother me and if you could help with those I would be grateful. One is that my sense of balance is not what it was and the second is that my walking gait is also not as fluent as it wasā€¦any suggestions ?

Hi Alan,

If I were in your situation, I would certainly do a cleanse, and try to revert to a clean, natural and species-approriate diet. Optimum health is highly dependant on an optimum diet - our bodies need correct nourishment.

Taking PPIs for a long time, may lead to a body crying out for proper nourishment - because PPIs interfere with proper digestion, which leads to problems that spiral.

There are no quick fixes unfortunately - it takes time to ā€˜mess upā€™ our bodies, and so it takes a little while for them to heal. But it can be done.

Both of your symptoms could be related to liver related issues or insufficient ā€˜goodā€™ fats (in truth both are connected). The diet I am considering devising tackles both.

Shall I sign you up? :lol:

As a quick fix, have you tried anything like cod liver oil or Omega three oils? Or better still, salmon with steamed veg at least 4 times a week for a month?

I got quite cross that my GP said sheā€™d refer me to a dietician, all theyā€™d do it tell me to eat all the things Iā€™d like to eat if I could, veg salad etc!
Iā€™m thinking of adding an hour onto the time I take omeprazole each day to see if I can get off them.

They stay in your system for about 24 hours, so it wonā€™t really make much difference tbh.

You may be better off switching to the equivalent dose of Ranitidine (go for the Zantac brand) which might be 150mg twice a day. You can then reduce each tablet to 3/4, then go to one full at night time (none in the morning), then start reducing the nightly one. But you would need to rebuild your mucous liningā€¦

Thanks Azz, I do eat a healthy diet as I grow loads of fruit and vegetables. It could be that thereā€™s a deficiency of fish oil in my diet so Iā€™ll get some Omega 3 tablets. I do get the full range of blood tests annually and so far all is good.

Tried that Azz, still too much acid! I take Ranitidine anyway.

Growing your own veg is brilliant Alan! :slight_smile:

You could try juicing veg too - vegetables are excellent for vital electrolytes and juicing them gives you a concentrated dose (has to be fresh tho - so that the enzymes are still intact).

Though ideally, you need to attack on all angles with the full diet.

What dosage are you currently on?

Omeprazole 20mg o.m., Ranitidine 150mgm before lunch, if I feel like I want to eat, & one before tea then Gavicon 30ml before bed.
None of it makes any difference to my being able to eat anything thatā€™s not oats or rice.
Started off with anything fatty, sausages etc, then spicy, then any sort of meat, the veg, now porridge is upsetting me, so eat mainly rice.:shock:

When do you take the Omeprazole? As soon as you get up?

Yep, have tried different times, but then get acid in the daytime instead of at night, sleeping sitting up mostly now.
Really annoyed as I didnā€™t take it for reflux to begin with!

I would probably try 150mg of ranititdine in the morning, then the same before bed.

I would cut out difficult to digest food - food that is high in carbs, spices, sweet fruits etc

I would add home-made yoghurt (24 hours) and home made sauerkraut and cabbage rejuvelac :slight_smile:

Iā€™ve had a hiatal hernia for about 20 years but it only started bothering me a few months ago. I was taking Ranitidine pills from the pharmacy shelf, no prescription. They really helped & I started trying the exercises below. Whether itā€™s helped or not my problem hasnā€™t bothered me in a few weeks. I might take a pill every week or so now.


Other methods of dealing with stress include changing your environment, finding new ways to resolve problems and communicating your thoughts and feelings honestly with others.

It is also possible to bring down a hiatal hernia using manual manipulation. Find a chiropractor a massage therapist who knows how to manually manipulate a hiatal hernia. You can also massage your own abdomen daily for about 5-15 minutes paying special attention to massaging the area under your ribs.

As an alternative, the following technique can be used as a self-help form of manual manipulation.

Drink a pint of warm water first thing in the morning. Next, stand on your toes and drop suddenly to your heels several times. The force of this little jump and the weight of the water help pull the stomach down in place while the warm temperature of the water relaxes the stomach area. Taking a dropper full of lobelia essence with the water will relax the stomach and make the treatment more effective.

If youā€™re adventurous, jump off a chair or down a short flight of stairs to get the same effect. The idea behind this technique is to get your stomach to ā€œdropā€ as if you were in an elevator that suddenly started going down.

If this doesnā€™t solve the problem, place both hands under your breastbone in the center of your rib cage. Take a deep breath and press your fingers firmly into the solar plexus area (just under the breastbone). As you forcefully exhale, push your fingers downward and bend forward slightly. Be careful not to push your fingers up under the rib cage. Repeat this action several times. Do this before meals on an empty stomach.

It is usually important to work on the ileocecal value when correcting the hiatal hernia. This valve is located on the right side of the abdomen midway between the belly button and the right hip bone. Just start massaging in that area and if there is any pain or discomfort in that region gently massage the area while breathing deeply until the pain goes away. Do this at least once a day.

Finally, although nutritional supplements wonā€™t correct a hiatal hernia, they will help it heal as you mechanically get the stomach to move downward.

I copied this off the internet, the link is soooo long.

Here it is though
http://modernherbalmedicine.com/articles/hiatal-hernia-hidden-cause-of-chronic-illness-2.html?page=3

I have cut out all foods that upset me, thatā€™s why Iā€™m eating just rice & oats. I canā€™t eat anything else without rushing to the loo within 15 minutes of eating which is why a dietician would be useless. Iā€™ve tried every combination of doses of tablets, the only time I donā€™t get acid choking me in my sleep is when I take Omeprazole first thing. I just want to stop taking these damn things!:cry: