They are all at it 
Do you think that Farage is the only one that does that Morty?
The reason I will vote for Reform and Farage is because of two things, Stopping the incoming and kicking Net Zero into the long grass…I just don’t care what he has allegedly been paid or done, or any other of his policies. Just on those two things alone he will win my vote.
Foxy, its cleansing to get the priority’s sorted out.
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Foxy … I’d already fallen out of love with Reform anyway when the Reform councils of Derbyshire closed down half their care homes for the elderly.
They’re certainly not into promoting social care. And Farage toadying to Trump is another vote loser.
I used to think he was great … in the days when he tore strips off them all in the European Parliament.
ETA … without going off topic … is it the man or the party you’re loyal to?
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Its the ‘establishment’ Foxy. They are all shyte scared of him and those like him, because they know that their comfortable way of life would be theatened when he becomes PM :yes:
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Why is it no-one can name who is the establishment? Not even a group let alone individuals…
The so called ‘establishment’ consists of the higher echelons of the long entrenched civil service and also including private secretaries etc, BUT excluding long established business types who usually are faceless unless something really irks them, then they open up with their views. Olly Robbins is just one name that immediately springs to mind.
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I have already admitted that I don’t know who the establishment is by name, what do you want me to do Lincs? Make somebody up? You’d like that wouldn’t you?
You are very well aware who I am referring to, or should be, because it’s the people who run most of the world. The people who sell the oil, the people who lend the money for the national debt, and the people who have a vested interest in green energy and the net zero sh$te.
LongDriver is correct in that they are all frightened of Farage and reform because they are the voice of the people and there are more of us than them…Just look how the brexit referendum went and I can see Farage being the next PM, or at least somebody from Reform.
The establishment will do everything in their power to discredit Farage and Reform, and some of the posters on here have fallen for their lies… 
I like Farage and would like to see him lead Reform in the next election Morty, but Reform would get my vote whoever leads the party.
So the establishment is made up of the senior civil servants in government? Well we can surely name them from a quick search. The cabinet secretary is Antonia Romeo - born in 1974 to academic parents, joined consultancy firm before joining the civil service. That hardly smacks of establishment. What about the COO of the civil service - Catherine Little. Born 1980, went to Brummie Uni, also joined consultancy firm before going into civil service. Not sure what is establishment about her. Even your man Olly Robbins was born in 1975, also to academic parents, after going to Oxford uni joined the treasury. I was expecting parents and grandparents to be in the same mold but - nope. What is so establishment about these guys?
Or do you mean by establishment “people who don’t support the stuff you support”? Or maybe “people who recognise ideas that you like as bad / illegal / detrimental and therefore try to amend or improve these ideas”. Which is not so much being the establishment as being sensible.