Greens win UK by election

Surprise - the Greens win the by-election in Gorton. A strong local candidate winning over all the rest. Helped in no small way by the clear messaging from Polanski over recent months.
Labour booted into third place, no doubt hit by multiple factors least of all their support for Israel’s “war” in Gaza not finding favour with the regions Muslim communities. Makes you wonder though if Andy Burnham been allowed to stand would he have been better received.
Lots of bleating from Reform. But their candidate was very dreadful and very London.
Interesting turn of events.

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They are winning seats all over the country. Probably the closest thing to old labour, now that labour is more tory than the tories and leaning towards reform.

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What a brilliant speech too:

More and more and more people are waking up - and seeing that people like Starmer and Farage are only working for their rich mates, and they are trying to make fools of everyone else.


And of course SHAME on the BBC for not including her speech in their story. The BBC really have turned into a scum machine - they are just there to enable the ruling classes and to keep everyone else subjugated and dumb.

Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwygp3dqenwo

Edit: they’ve got it here Watch: 'Working hard used to get you something', says victorious Green Party candidate - BBC News but it’s not a leading story and it should be in the main story. BBC’s bias is clear.

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TBH I don’t know too much about what their policies are

But haven’t they said they’d legalise drugs like heroin and cocaine and the date rape drug ?
I can’t see the British public going wholeheartedly for that.

Though it is an indication of how frustrated the public are getting with the traditional parties.

He’s not wrong - currently all drugs are doing is funding big crime, probably by state actors.

Polanski said “the war on drugs has absolutely failed, and ultimately we need to be having a public health approach”.

When asked about implications of this for the taxpayer, he replied, "Well, I think voters are having to pay right now for a crime that happens, for the fact that people are in the illegal drug markets, for gangs that we see across county lines.

“All of this is a failure of the fact that, again, for far too long, Prime Ministers have stuck their heads in their sand and said, if we just make drugs illegal, everything’s going to be okay.”

Personally I think the only ones that should be legalised are the ‘natural’ ones, like cannabis and mushrooms - both of which now have proven health benefits. A health-led approach like he is saying is better than what we have atm.

Either way - the least of our problems. The biggest cancer in society right now, are the greedy ruling classes (who are probably behind the drug issue anyway!)

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Anybody know what their policies are concerning net zero?

Not sure I like the idea of them wanting to leave NATO

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The main geezer did a good speech.

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What’s an ekection?

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It’s what men get after voting.

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Speak for yerself Bruce! :slightly_frowning_face:

I was wondering about the speculation on the Green party’s policies noted above - such as on A-class drugs and NATO. So thought I’d check. Where did you guys get your info from because I’m not seeing it on their web page? Here they specifically refer to being in NATO so somebody is being a bit careless with the truth…

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I was very impressed by her speech, straight talking, all about ordinary people, a plumber who has just qualified as a plasterer, knew exactly what people are bothered about.

A very different approach.

A lot of rubbish is being talked about their drugs policy.

Soft drugs only to be legalised, sold i shops, VAT payable and at much lower prices.

That cuts the criminals out.

Hard drugs treated as a Public Health Problem, with a prescription which you can only get if you attend for rehab.

No more big rich drug gangs etc.

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So they seem more interested in foreign affairs, giving money away to follow the misinformed and fake science and rejoin the EU…
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There’s no such thing as ‘Climate Breakdown’ even climate change is pushing it, being as the climate is an average taken over hundreds of years…
What about the extortionate price of energy?
What about extreme poverty here in the UK?
Net Zero is killing us and turning us into a third world nation.
Why are we supporting wars in other countries ?
Why are we importing all our goods from other countries and not at least, trying to make them here?
What about our workers?
What about the decaying NHS?
What about potholes?
They should get their priorities right…
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You might benefit from reading more and assuming less.
As for supporting a war in another country, I suspect the Green party would seek to stop the support the UK government provides to Israel. Unlike most other parties.

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In terms of drugs, why do people think legalising them would change the supply route or stop the gangs? Thinking it through I can’t see that happening because it would still be big business for the same groups. As well as this if it’s only available on prescription, there would be an illegal market all the same. We already have methadone prescribed for addicts and of course it’s not enough for those who crave a high. Doctors won’t prescribe the higher and higher doses addicts want.

In terms of cannabis I agree that should be de-criminalised, it’s how many young people are lured into the harder stuff. It would clean up the supply and if people want the health benefits it would be easily accessible, with health warnings of course. We have easy access to alcohol a known poison and tobacco products, also completely toxic. I wouldn’t be touching cannabis, but some with medical conditions and in chronic pain can benefit. I know someone with severe MS who regularly uses and finds great relief.

I’m disappointed that they do not have an updated manifesto.

I can understand your concerns but increasingly cannabis is being legalised around the globe. It is viewed as the next big growth / profit product for the large tobacco companies. And as well as being legalised it is being taxed, so becomes a revenue stream for governments.
Class A drugs are of course a different thing. But the UK has the highest level of deaths from drug use in Europe. That surely shows that the current approach is not working to the benefit of the country. I’ve not read all of the Green party policy on these drugs but their focus seems to be on better management, better help, safe spaces for drug consumption. Please note that I am not endorsing this party’s policy - simply noting that I think they are trying to avoid following the current status quo that is currently causing many social problems and greatly enriching gangs.

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The greens only won because they eat a lot of carrots. That makes them see better during the dark times

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Might be the carrots.
Or it might be appeal they offer to the younger voter. The ones who feel excluded from the housing market, whose jobs are most threatened by AI, who are more comfortable with multi-culturalism, who see Brexit as curbing their freedoms, who worry more about the environment and global warming - and who see the governments of the last few decades as having favoured the baby-boomers, pensioners and big business.
They might have a point.