Please explain how not having the vaccine helps to spread the flu RN?
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Having a vaccine prevents the replication of a virus whether or not you have symptoms
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Actually itâs the other way round RN.
The modern vaccines actually attenuate your immune system to prevent your body from over reacting once the virus has been transmitted according to reports.
This is why you have less symptoms than an unvaxxed person.
However, this attenuation of the immune system can leave you open for other infections and diseases.
The vaccine does not stop replication of a virus it just prevents your body from over reacting to the infection.
People who are vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than those who have not been vaccinated because you will not experience many symptoms, while the unvaxxed person will probably be at home in bed and feeling too poorly to go to work.
The best way to prevent a virus spreading is to avoid other people as Spitty points out.
Spanish Flu, the Great Plague, and even Covid all died out due to isolation, and the people who survived built up a resistance to the virus. No vaccines available in those days.
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OLD grey fox, since you have posted above any and all explanations concerning this topic, I donât need to remind you we have a plenitude of medical websites online to explain it. No need for that at all.
Choose an option thatâs right for you, and Iâve chosen the option thatâs right for me.
Case closed for me, but Iâm sure youâll have more insight to share.
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We all know that we can still catch the flu virus even if we have been vaccinated, no vaccines give 100% protection. However, the viral load would be greatly reduced, therefore being less harmful to us and also we wonât be highly contagious, so less likely to infect others whereas non-vaccinated people will have a high viral load and infect others more easily.
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It stops replication because a vaccinated individual recognises it and kills the invading virus before it can sneak in and multiply. So the more people vaccinated in a population the less chance of viral replication.
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So does a person who has had covid and survived (the human race only survives because the human body builds resistance naturally to any attacking virus) I had three heart attacks prior to catching covid and survived. The second time I caught covid it was no more than a bad cold.
Furthermore, a none vaccinated person would be too poorly to go out and mix with other people. Take it from someone who knows.
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Apparently we didnât build resistance to smallpox or polio by exposing ourselves to it. So itâs not all bad.
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Those vaccines were totally different to the ones they use now Annie.
Werenât those vaccines cultivated in cows etc and were a very weak strain of dead viruses.
So indirectly, yes, we were exposed to Polio and Smallpox although they were not live vaccines.
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What total and utter crap! where on earth do you come up with this nonsense?
https://www.health.gov.au/influenza-vaccination/questions#how-does-the-flu-vaccine-work
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*A flu vaccine is the best way to protect you and your family against influenza. *
The vaccine strengthens your immunity to protect against influenza. It contains an inactive part of the influenza virus that trains your immune system to recognise and fight the infection. The vaccine reduces your chances of getting influenza. But if you do get it, the vaccine lowers your risk of developing serious illness which could lead to hospitalisation.
If youâre pregnant, the flu vaccineâs effect on your immune system is carried through the placenta and umbilical cord. So, the vaccine protects your baby against influenza at birth and for their first 6 months. This is important because it protects your baby when they are most vulnerable and too young to be vaccinated.
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Adult flu vaccines are not live but apparently the smallpox vaccine was live and the old sugar cube polio was live too. The child flu vaccine (nasal spray) is live.
But my point was that people didnât think it was sensible to be infected with these diseases as a way to build immunity because they had devastating effects for some.
My view is that there is now far too much vaccination overall, but the flu is a good one to have and usually very benign in terms of side effects vs the protection it offers. It doesnât always work because the flu is always mutating and they canât predict every strain, but if lots of people have the vaccine there will be less flu around.
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Thatâs a really interesting opinion, but I think youâre confusing a vaccine with an immunosuppressant medication used for auto immune conditions or for those who have had a transplant. Vaccines work in the opposite way by stimulating the immune system, but they donât work as effectively if youâre immune system isnât too strong (as happens naturally when we get older). Thatâs why there is a big drive to vaccinate children (who are super-spreaders to elderly relatives).
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I was probably mixing up the flu vaccine with the covid vaccine Annie.
I have read medical reports that stated that most people who had died of covid actually died of Pneumonia brought on by covid.
During infection by covid the lungs would fill with fluid, the bodies natural defence against the lung irritation caused by the covid infection.
The vaccine was developed to dumb down the immune systems response to the irritation which could cause other infections and diseases to enter the body.
Also, there is medical proof that blood clots can be caused by the vaccine.
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@Didi69 Iâve just been given my jab Diane . Nursey called to give my disabled wife herâs, so I was given one too to save time paperwork.
In 2 wks time, the RSV vaccine will arrive via the local outreach nurses.
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Medical research has found that covid can cause blood clots.
COVID-19 blood clots & stroke risk ⢠HRI
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There is certainly a few older folk (no offense meant) still chugging along having had all of their jabsâŚI might have to re appraise my decision not to have any jabsâŚ
If anything bad happens to me, I home you will all have a whip round every week to take care of my missus and cat.
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Hi OGF, Iâve no idea what that is about but Iâm not advocating anyone has the Covid vaccine. The blood clot issue was with the Astra Zeneca vaccine which was withdrawn.
I think you might be referring to use of corticosteroid treatment for Covid, which may have been used in the early days. Thatâs not a vaccine effect though. Any vaccine given would boost the action of the immune system. Otherwise whatâs the point?
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You should have the flu jab if no other. That seems to have the most tried and trusted record.
Apparently the pneumonia one is also good to have and you only need to have that once.
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I just remembered something funny but quite disturbing, that Boris Johnson said about dealing with Covid , way back in March 2020. Something about âherd immunityâ? 
This was before he became infected and fell seriously ill.
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Gosh!
Iâd quite forgotten about that, it seems like a lifetime ago now! 
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