It must affect people different ways as I’ve said it makes us feel far healthier than we would otherwise. Had ours last night no achy arm even.
Yes Pats, l know there is no comparison! I was just mentioning l rarely get colds as l think l have a good immune system. I wouldn’t have the Shingles injection either, as l have never had Chicken Pox!
My Asthma is brought on by perfume smells, preservatives and other additives in food. I would probably be affected by the preservatives or whatever is contained in the flu injection.
Anyway, it must be fifty years since l had the flu.
lols spread that fear Pats !
That Artangel is at a higher risk of complications has no bearing whatsoever on whether the flu jab is effective or not.
The flu jab is largely a waste of time. The peer reviewed systematic reviews prove it.
People who have it are acting for the most part, un-objectively, much like those who mess with homeopathy products. They will attribute whatever benefits they experience to those treatments and blank out all the negative experiences once they have chosen to believe.
Plenty of people who have the flu jab will still catch flu. Some won’t. The numbers who do and who don’t will be the same as the situation where no-one had a flu jab at all. Yet the people who DID have the jab and DIDN’T get flu will incorrectly attribute that to the flu jab, thereby reinforcing their belief and the illusion.
It’s a classic psychological mental condition of selective reinforcement.
The truth here is very simple. To assess whether the flu jab is one huge scam or not all you have to do is a shed load of tests on a wide variety of people of varying conditions and circumstances. You include in those tests groups who are given placebos and you conduct all of the tests in a rigorous way according to the top industry standard testing methods which assess and minimise any possible bias.
Then you look at the results.
Cochrane did exactly this. They assessed over 2000 studies involving literally millions of people. They concluded that the flu jab is useless.
Job done.
Everything else is pure BS smoke and mirrors founded on an aggressive campaign of fear mongering which even YOU are perpetuating here on this forum !
Aren’t you at more risk having not had chicken pox ? When one of our boys got chicken pox I came down with it too and my husband got shingles. We were told that was because we hadn’t had chicken pox.
Julie, All my five children plus my seven grandsons had chicken pox. I was mainly in contact with my own children when they had it and l still didn’t get it!
[I]"Chickenpox and shingles are both caused by the same virus: the varicella-zoster virus.
In some people who have had chickenpox, the virus can become active again later in life and cause shingles.
You can’t catch shingles from someone else. However, you can catch chickenpox from someone with shingles if you haven’t had chickenpox before"[/I]
“What is shingles, and how is it different from chicken pox?
Shingles, also known as zoster or herpes zoster, is a painful skin rash caused by the same virus responsible for chicken pox: the varicella zoster virus. Even if you had chicken pox in the past, you can still contract shingles. That’s because the chicken-pox virus remains in the body, lying dormant in the roots of nerves, and can reactivate many years later. It’s not clear why the virus reawakens — in some people it never does — but researchers believe that the virus is triggered as the immune system weakens with age or in conditions of stress.”
So in layman’s terms. If you have previously had Chicken Pox then that virus is still floating around your body in a dormant state, held there by your immune system.
If you fancy a bout of Shingles, just go compromise your immune system. Easy to do, just eat bad foods or say inject mercury into your bloodstream . . .!
If I hadn’t had carefully measured mercury injected into my bloodstream, I wouldn’t be alive today, to consider having a flu jab.
Indeed twink if many of us followed some of the scaremongering we would be dead. It’s fine if you don’t want a in don’t have it but don’t try to put others off.
The only scaremongering thus far in this thread is the continual perpetuation of the orchestrated “Campaign Of Fear” used to generate demand for useless flu jabs.
Everything I’ve contributed has been factual and aimed at getting people to approach the subject objectively and to do proper research and due diligence.
However, if you would prefer a scaremongering approach then I offer the next post for your perusal
FDA expediting approval for deadly flu shot
“the FDA [is] fast tracking an incredibly dangerous flu vaccine called FLUAD . . . which is scheduled to be rolled out for the 2015/2016 flu season.”
“[it] has been linked to at least 13 deaths last year, prompting several countries to temporarily suspend vaccine lots containing the drug.”
“Developed by Swiss pharmaceutical company Novartis, FLUAD, also known as MF59, contains a squalene-based adjuvant that’s added to enhance the body’s immune system response. Adjuvants, many of which are toxic, are added to vaccines as a cost-effective way to increase antibody titers using fewer antigens.”
“When squalene adjuvants are introduced to the body via vaccines, the body’s immune system invokes a furious attack against its naturally produced squalene, leading to a number of autoimmune disorders including partial or complete paralysis, rheumatism and even death, according to Sott.net.”
"Vaccines containing squalene adjuvants have a pretty frightening track record. For one, these vaccines were prohibited for quite some time, thus adding less credibility to its effectiveness, and more to its risk.
Secondly, three people died within 48 hours of being vaccinated with MF59 on November 28, 2014, which was reported by the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP).
On November 29, 2014, that number rose to 11."
"Controversy encircled Novartis flu vaccines even before those deaths. In 2012, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Spain and France suspended deliveries of four flu vaccines produced by Novartis after testing identified possible side effects.
Italy eventually lifted their ban, and unfortunately, 13 people paid the price with their lives."
“Thirdly, squalene adjuvants used in experimental anthrax vaccines were strongly linked to Gulf War Syndrome (GWS), also known as Desert Storm Disease, which killed more soldiers than combat. GWS symptoms include fatigue, persistent headaches, neurological symptoms (tingling/numbness in limbs), chemical sensitivities, heart problems, respiratory complications and many more.”
"Author and retired neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock warns:
“No one should take the swine flu vaccine — it is one of the most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease),”
Realist, let me ask that, if you feel the Cochrane report has adequately substantiated it claims… then why are you not writing to the NHS, to establish why they are still giving flu jabs?
What is the point of trying to persuade a bunch of over 50’s not to have it, when you could make a name for yourself and take on the NHS? After all you are suggesting they are injecting us with poison, that will be no benefit to our heath.
I am sure we would all be interested to read your reply.
Twink, the NHS is a huge cog in the “system” that is ultimately controlled by the Big Pharma companies who set the rules through the FDA and CSC and WHO etc.
The NHS does what it is told. Pure and simple. It has to.
So do the staff within it unless they have enough moral fibre to assess the facts, see what is happening and then voluntarily resign on principle, which of course is difficult because people need the income from their jobs.
Your naivety on how the world operates is frankly staggering.
http://yournewswire.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-on-flu-vaccines/
“Peter Doshi from the John Hopkins School of Medicine has issued a SCATHING report on the dangers of flu vaccinations”
“Doshi says. Mandatory vaccination polices have been enacted, often in healthcare facilities, forcing some people to take the vaccine under threat of losing their jobs.”
“Even when the vaccine is closely matched to the type of influenza that’s prevalent, which doesn’t happen every year, randomized, controlled trials of healthy adults found that vaccinating between 33 and 100 people resulted in one less case of influenza. In addition, says Doshi, no evidence exists to show that this reduction in the risk of influenza for a specific population — here in the United States, among healthy adults, for example — extrapolates into any reduced risk of serious complications from influenza, such as hospitalizations or deaths, among seniors”
Dr. Russell Blaylock, a neurosurgeon and author of “The Blaylock Wellness Report”
“Not only is the vaccine not safe, Dr. Blaylock tells Newsmax Health, it doesn’t even work. “The vaccine is completely worthless, and the government knows it,” he says. “There are three reasons the government tells the elderly why they should get flu shots: secondary pneumonia, hospitalization, and death. Yet a study by the Cochrane group studied hundreds of thousands of people and found it offered zero protection for those three things in the general community”
"“Here’s the bottom line,” says Dr. Blaylock. “The vast number of people who get the flu vaccine aren’t going to get any benefit, but they get all of the risks and complications.”
Why flu shots are the greatest medical fraud in history
We go round and round like this every year, until a flu jab actually harms me I’m going to have them, you are free to not have them or have them as you wish. My last post on the subject until next year when it’s time for the jabs again 
But the very point Julie is that you wouldn’t know if the flu jab has harmed you or not. You’re not engaged in any testing of yourself or anyone else. If you get ill from some other condition you won’t for a second associate that with the flu jab. You have already mentally decided to believe the vaccine is good. This why emotional and anecdotal evidence is not worth a bean. You’re not being objective.
You have to make a choice to either be rational and objective or to bury your head to the facts and be un-objective. You’ve decided the latter option clearly. That being the case I’m not sure why you have posted so much in the thread.
The Vaccine Hoax is Over. Documents from UK reveal 30 Years of Coverup
“Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), we know that vaccines are not a miracle of modern medicine. Any medical or government authority which insists vaccines prevent diseases is either ignorant of government documents (and endless studies) revealing the exact opposite or of the CDC’s attempts to hide the truth about vaccines from the public, or means harm to the public”.
You are so right Julie, I think I will make a point to avoid all these conspiracy theories in future. All arguing does is elongate a thread that is becoming boring to me!
Where are these conspiracy theories?
The two of you seem increasingly desperate to latch onto anything to mount some kind of argument, I know not why since you’ve both decided long since to ignore the scientific data. It’s like you need others to support your emotional responses in the matter so that you feel more justified in that un-objective position.
You and me both Twink. I’ve had these jabs for the last 15 of my 76 years. Not had flu in those 15 years whereas I surely did before that. That’s enough proof for me. Each of us must decide for ourselves. I’m certain that if Realist is A. still alive and B. still a member of OFF, and I sincerely hope that both will be the case, next September, he will start his campaign all over again. I await next September in anticipation of some new “facts” and figures.