Englands sweet and pleasant lands?

this was generated firstly in another form but missed out some vital categories and therefore seemed to become misplaced? to continue!

BY WILLIAM BLAKE

And did those feet in ancient time

Walk upon Englands mountains green:

And was the holy Lamb of God,

On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

this must be one of my most favorite hymns and as I hear it less and less often I do wonder also whether “this England” is now fading away not only from our ancient memories but not even existing in the memories of so many “new english” as they appear today in our classrooms and towns and villages? Is it time to put it all too rest and maybe write a new epitaph for a new england. An England fast changing from those ancient tomes? Or is that England still there to be found if the effort is made. Down the still leafy lanes and among those re-gentrifide fields and hedgrows and “pleasant pastures seen” ?

nb I am also informed that this thread will automatically close in one month - well that certainly ties in with the theme of the topic!!

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I’m guessing it means the feet of Jesus.
I can’t be doing with all this mythical matter!

I mean - How could he have got here from the Far East?

It’s a long way to come on a camel!!

I guess you just don’t understand magic and poetry and the tenses inbetween the present tense ??

No I guess I don’t. :thinking:

Yep, too deep for me too… :flushed:

never seen a record of Jesus ever riding on a camel? have you Carol - I’ve seen a carol sing a carol though?

That England may be lost in the eyes and memories of the “new English”, at least for the first generation of them. If an effort is made, it might re-emerge in the following generations. Surprisingly, there are exceptions and the odd new Englishman might even be able to recite Blake right after setting foot on this England. In a more general sense there is, however, the question to what extent nationals connect to their own national literature?

Jerusalem a lovely hymn but most people can’t reach the high notes.

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Well you wouldn’t hear it much in Australia would you Gummy. And as for England, we are doing alright now we have kicked the EU into the long grass…

‘God save the Queen!’
:uk:

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ah thankee thankee when one needs a touch of subtleness and vivid inspiration along comes OGF - how’s the old pacemaker goin old man?? - still not running - you not the pacemaker laddie!!

Yep, its all there still Gummy, it would not be fun if yer didn’t have to seek it out, silence should hold no fear.

oh NO not the dreaded peril riding around englands green and pleasant land on an E sur on from the nippons

The Bard would have loved the concept. :smiley: :bike:

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hahahahaha!! good one walter!!

The Mormons seem to think he did.
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This used to be one of my favourite hymns at school - the language was so rich and dramatic, set to a rousing tune.

However, learning about William Blake’s non-conformist religious views in literature studies made me think it was ironic that this part of his Milton poem should have been adopted as an English hymn, sung in Churches and School Assemblies all over England for many years - and even more ironic that many people see it as a patriotic anthem and favour it as a National Anthem, when Blake was so radically anti-establishment and anti-monarchy - supporting both the French and American Revolutions.

I have never truly understood the meaning of the Jerusalem verses - does anyone really know what he meant by it all? It was recorded that Blake himself talked of having religious visions, so maybe we can never fully understand what was going through his mind when he wrote these verses?

Dark Satanic Mills? Was that the Mills of industrial Britain enslaving people and blighting the green and pleasant land ? - or was it a poetic device to compare it to Blake’s view that the power of the Church and Universities had taken over to control and blight people’s minds, and curb their free thought and expression?
Blake mentions the Mills of Satan in several other places in his Milton poem, in verses which suggest he is not speaking literally about industrial mills, maybe.

I got the impression that “I will not cease from mental fight …. til we have built Jerusalem” was a metaphor for the struggle against the “established order” - in Blake’s view, the established figures of authority and religions, like the Monarchy, the established Churches and even the Universities had confined people’s thoughts and understanding and this oppression needed to be fought against - Blake’s preface to the “Jerusalem” verses is clearly calling on artists to reject the rules of the established order and pursue radical free expression.

“The stolen and perverted writings of Homer and Ovid, of Plato and Cicero, which all men ought to contemn, are set up by artifice against the Sublime of the Bible; but when the New Age is at leisure to pronounce, all will be set right, and those grand works of the more ancient, and consciously and professedly Inspired men will hold their proper rank, and the Daughters of Memory shall become the Daughters of Inspiration. Shakspeare and Milton were both curb’d by the general malady and infection from the silly Greek and Latin slaves of the sword.”

“Rouse up, O Young Men of the New Age! Set your foreheads against the ignorant hirelings! For we have hirelings in the Camp, the Court, and the University, who would, if they could, for ever depress mental, and prolong corporeal war. Painters! on you I call. Sculptors! Architects! suffer not the fashionable fools to depress your powers by the prices they pretend to give for contemptible works, or the expensive advertising boasts that they make of such works: believe Christ and His Apostles that there is a class of men whose whole delight is in destroying. We do not want either Greek or Roman models if we are but just and true to our own Imaginations, those Worlds of Eternity in which we shall live for ever, in Jesus our Lord.”

At the time, it was the latest form of mechanisation to speed up otherwise hand production. Although it was hard graft for poor pay, it was work that the poor/peasants needed to keep away from the poor house. We compare it to todays working conditions when we shouldn’t because in those time is was par for the course.
The bards and poets picked up on anything that would grab attention and then embellish the events, just as the journalists of today do to grab headlines and ensure their continued employment.

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Something had to be done to subdue the ado.

get ya poet teeth around this then???

blacks jerusalem

Jerusalem means place of peace, not heaven. It derives from the paleo-hebrew “Yerushalayim”.

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