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In the nicest possible way, you are wrong. The Johnson Brexit deal was very aligned with the “never rejoin” tactic. So we got: exit the customs union, exit the single market, indeed exit any regulatory alignment. How much further an exit could you go?
Ok, there was the complete lunacy idea of no deal exit. If that was your heaven then you really do need to explain how that would have been good.
Therefore we got a really hard exit with a super high hurdle for rejoining. And you say “what brexit?” Really?
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Nope OGF.
For part of my life I was working in Immigration.
When in the EU we could return illegal Immigrants back over the Channel at absolutely no cost to ourselves.
Our Idiotic Politicians choose not to.
Even more stupid when I returned to work after my big injury I was on light duties.
Immigrants not allowed until they could prove that they had suitable accommodation available here at no cost to us.
These were known as Home Office Certificates.
Then the Tories Privatised this, so loads of Startups signing them for a Fee.
The biggest con out andstill the case.
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I don’t think that’s true. I do think some brexiteers would like one though. So that they could change their original vote.
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The big flaw with the Brexit vote was that it only required a simple majority. Important decisions like this need a bigger majority than just scraping home.
I think the original 1975 referendum on the Common Market was about 70% for (I voted “No”) and to leave should have required a similar majority.
Most countries require a bigger hurdle than a simple majority for important votes (eg Impeach a President in the USA)
This is completely correct. There was a second problem with this referendum - one side was fully defined (remain in the EU as it) but the other vote was left undefined (leave - make up your own vision of that and garnish with words like sunlit, opportunities, new markets, freedom, etc.). Just that obviously unequal presentation was so very biased and flawed.
You never talk nice like that to me…
I’ve got feelings you know…
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I think you and I have dropped any formality and politeness long ago. I just hope that doesn’t mean we’ve descended into rudeness…
I try to chose my words carefully not to offend or upset anyone Lincs.
If I appear rude on occasions I’m sorry it’s not my intention, but some people tend to roll with the punches (as do I ) and I try to be careful with which members take my posts for what they are. Of course, some posters are delicate little flowers and do not roll with punches, and I’m careful not to offend or upset them.
I consider you one of the tough guys and can take as much as you give without offence.
I do not hold grudges myself, and never take offence… 
This is exactly what I mean Swimmy when I say we haven’t actually left the EU.
I would think that the majority of Brexit voters voted because of the high numbers of people coming to this country. They have continued to pour in despite leaving the EU when we had the chance to take control. The EU still looms over us like a black cloud depositing the debris of Europe onto our shores and turning Britain into a third world country.
Most parties in government believe that by importing labour it will improve our economy, but it’s false economy. It costs more to support foreign workers and their families than to train our own young people with apprenticeships in proper jobs.
Why can nobody see that by importing labour everything has to be improved, schools, hospitals, housing in fact the whole infrastructure…So then you have to import more foreign labour… 
Where does it stop?
That sounds like you are setting a challenge here. Let me work on that…
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Surely what actually happened is that there was a massive fall off in the numbers of people coming to the UK from the EU. Indeed, quite a few also heading back home at that time.
Then, unrelated to the EU, not informed by any EU policy or regulation, the UK decided that taking control of people coming to the UK for work or study would be set up as a points based system. This was a UK government decision and policy.
This new policy meant many non-EU citizens came to the UK. The numbers from the EU fell steadily until 2022 - when it became negative (more left than arrived).
So can you explain how the EU still looms over us and what is the depositing of debris from the EU that you note? How can there be depositing when more people are leaving? What is the opposite of depositing? Maybe you mean to say that the EU is collecting up its people?
In summary, you are wrong.
I thought France was a member of the EU Lincs? Do people just pass through without any checks to see who’s coming into their country?
And the people being deposited here are the wrong sort of mygrant…With no record of who or what they are…They all seem to be young fighting age males…
It doesn’t matter where they come from, they’re just coming.
Hands up all those people who have big housing developments going on around them?
When we are struggling to supply water after a week of drought, and struggling to provide electricity when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun disappears for the night, and struggling to provide healthcare for everyone, and struggling to provide roads that don’t look like something out of Kyiv…don’t you think it’s time to stop importing even more people?
Actually, similar to many mainland European countries, you can readily drive across any border road with no checks, stops or paperwork. I can drive to Spain across an open border. Years ago I went to Annecy from London and the easiest way is to fly to Geneva and get a taxi - again no border control. However, once in France it is a legal requirement to carry official identity with you are all times. But what is your point here?
Ah, you saying that it is the fault of the EU that people from elsewhere (Syria, Afghanistan, etc.) are travelling through European countries to get to the UK. And you highlighting that in your view these people are debris - but fighting age male debris. So physically able scum, in your view? Who somehow are stopping the sun shining and the wind blowing… and not maintaining the roads?
As for a need for people to come to the UK? The UK population is aging and fewer & fewer children are being born. The need for more people working in health and social care is starkly obvious. So yes, the UK needs more incomers. That is not the question. The question is how best can incomers integrate and how best can the existing population accommodate them?
Many of those immigrants don’t seem to have any identity papers when they arrive here. How do they get across France without them or do they destroy their documents when they reach Calais?
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That is down to lack of government incentives for young people to start families combined with lack of training opportunities to fill these jobs. We shouldn’t have gotten into this situation. To invite entire families here just so one person in that family can fill a key role is crazy yet that is what has been happening for years now
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Lots focus on stowaways but its legal ones that are the problem- bringing their entire family including older generations
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We delicate little flowers appreciate your concern and consideration 
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Yes, that is an issue. But isn’t it more than that? If housing is so expensive that people are living with their parents even when they are 30, and once they do get a rubbish little flat on their own its not suitable for children, and both in a couple need to work to pay the mortgage and all the other costs - then people defer parenthood. This is an incentive to not have children. Add to that the incredible uncertainty in the world, made worse by the world’s dictators (Trump, Putin, Xi) and what they might do next, and the threat of climate change and pollution, and that AI will take all the jobs anyway, and here is another list of incentives to not push a new life into this unstable world. And I think even a decent UK government would struggle to solve all that.
I do not have a problem with someone who is working full time bringing their family here. It is what we would expect if any of us went to work for a protracted time in another country. Indeed, it is what is allowed in most countries and after all this person working will be paying their taxes here. And bar the usual 20 days holidays the person is full time in the UK so surely its actually cruel, or at least a major dis-incentive for key workers, to prevent their family joining them.
What seems less justified is the same arrangements for someone in the UK to study. Students are not paying much in way of taxes. Study is in its nature limited by the duration of the course. Most further education courses have generous holidays between terms.
You didn’t read and digest my post did you Lincs. You’ve just cherry picked the items that you can put some kind of lame solution to.
In the UK we do not have the infrastructure to accommodate more people.
Bringing families of workers into other countries is Irrelevant compared to the UK.
Take France for instance, over twice the size of the UK with a few million less population.
You fail to look at the longer term implications Lincs, our infrastructure is barely capable of coping with the population at present, so by your logic, bringing in hundreds of thousands of people to do the jobs our own young people should be doing is your answer…