I thought France was a member of the EU Lincs? Do people just pass through without any checks to see who’s coming into their country?
And the people being deposited here are the wrong sort of mygrant…With no record of who or what they are…They all seem to be young fighting age males…
It doesn’t matter where they come from, they’re just coming.
Hands up all those people who have big housing developments going on around them?
When we are struggling to supply water after a week of drought, and struggling to provide electricity when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun disappears for the night, and struggling to provide healthcare for everyone, and struggling to provide roads that don’t look like something out of Kyiv…don’t you think it’s time to stop importing even more people?
Actually, similar to many mainland European countries, you can readily drive across any border road with no checks, stops or paperwork. I can drive to Spain across an open border. Years ago I went to Annecy from London and the easiest way is to fly to Geneva and get a taxi - again no border control. However, once in France it is a legal requirement to carry official identity with you are all times. But what is your point here?
Ah, you saying that it is the fault of the EU that people from elsewhere (Syria, Afghanistan, etc.) are travelling through European countries to get to the UK. And you highlighting that in your view these people are debris - but fighting age male debris. So physically able scum, in your view? Who somehow are stopping the sun shining and the wind blowing… and not maintaining the roads?
As for a need for people to come to the UK? The UK population is aging and fewer & fewer children are being born. The need for more people working in health and social care is starkly obvious. So yes, the UK needs more incomers. That is not the question. The question is how best can incomers integrate and how best can the existing population accommodate them?
Many of those immigrants don’t seem to have any identity papers when they arrive here. How do they get across France without them or do they destroy their documents when they reach Calais?
That is down to lack of government incentives for young people to start families combined with lack of training opportunities to fill these jobs. We shouldn’t have gotten into this situation. To invite entire families here just so one person in that family can fill a key role is crazy yet that is what has been happening for years now
Lots focus on stowaways but its legal ones that are the problem- bringing their entire family including older generations
We delicate little flowers appreciate your concern and consideration 
Yes, that is an issue. But isn’t it more than that? If housing is so expensive that people are living with their parents even when they are 30, and once they do get a rubbish little flat on their own its not suitable for children, and both in a couple need to work to pay the mortgage and all the other costs - then people defer parenthood. This is an incentive to not have children. Add to that the incredible uncertainty in the world, made worse by the world’s dictators (Trump, Putin, Xi) and what they might do next, and the threat of climate change and pollution, and that AI will take all the jobs anyway, and here is another list of incentives to not push a new life into this unstable world. And I think even a decent UK government would struggle to solve all that.
I do not have a problem with someone who is working full time bringing their family here. It is what we would expect if any of us went to work for a protracted time in another country. Indeed, it is what is allowed in most countries and after all this person working will be paying their taxes here. And bar the usual 20 days holidays the person is full time in the UK so surely its actually cruel, or at least a major dis-incentive for key workers, to prevent their family joining them.
What seems less justified is the same arrangements for someone in the UK to study. Students are not paying much in way of taxes. Study is in its nature limited by the duration of the course. Most further education courses have generous holidays between terms.
You didn’t read and digest my post did you Lincs. You’ve just cherry picked the items that you can put some kind of lame solution to.
In the UK we do not have the infrastructure to accommodate more people.
Bringing families of workers into other countries is Irrelevant compared to the UK.
Take France for instance, over twice the size of the UK with a few million less population.
You fail to look at the longer term implications Lincs, our infrastructure is barely capable of coping with the population at present, so by your logic, bringing in hundreds of thousands of people to do the jobs our own young people should be doing is your answer…
I think you are getting into the territory of making up what you think I’ve said. There’s some other ideas that you are making up.
What do you mean by infrastructure? You cite the size of another country - so you mean land? Using land is a meaningless measure as in the UK only 5% of land is used for housing (including the gardens). That is not close to a dense country like Netherlands (7%).
The UK has almost 1 million empty, unused houses / flats. Is that the infrastructure that you think the UK is short of? That does not include empty office blocks that might be converted.
Or do you mean the short of infrastructure that successive UK governments have under spent on - roads, schools, health care? The reason roads have pot holes is that local government cuts have meant not repairing roads and there are such cuts because the contribution were cut by almost a quarter. We get what we fund or don’t fund. What is needed is more tax revenue to pay for such infrastructure. Tax from more people paying taxes.
So perhaps you mean the infrastructure that is paid for from taxation and that having people working means more tax revenue - unlike the 8.5 million who are not working but of working age. This does not include the 1.5 million unemployed (not working but seeking work). The others are caring for others (1.6 million) or sick (2.75 million) or students (2.4 million). That looks like a lot of potential workers…paying tax. But you are seemingly not worried about that.
But they are not working so the UK, with its aging population, needs workers from other countries. That is, people filling key roles, paying taxes and contributing to the GDP growth.
Dunno.
People have to be earning at least £29000 before they can bring family members over, it also costs the family member as well…
depends on the profession. Key workers such as doctors and nurses can bring dependents. carers who entered the UK before March 2024 can still bring family over even if they change their profession.
Can a foreign Doctor ever understand a locals problem?
Regardless of the certificates.
I think the trouble with foreign doctors is that many of them would not have chosen that profession as a calling. Many families in countries that we source medical professional are determined to have a doctor in the family regardless of whether that’s what the child wants to study or have any talent in dealing with people in a sensitive and caring manner.
I’m saying this based on my experience of working with someone who had a son who qualified as a doctor and a daughter who qualified as a dentist simply because that is what mum determined should be their chosen profession. They were born here but the parents were from abroad. Both kids absolutely clearly hated their imposed professions but had no choice but to make mum happy.
I have been seen by such medical professionals and don’t feel their heart is in it and it makes you literally want to lose the will to live if you have a medical problem and the healthcare professional has no interest in your welfare. It’s a waste of everyone’s time and NHS money.
It does appear that Brexit has diminished Britain’s importance in the world especially from the US perspective.
Britain was an entry into Europe but with that connection gone and with the US shifting its focus to Asia (and the Middle East) its status is much reduced to a European outlier.
You only have to listen to this discussion by US analysts to realise that.
The UK would be in all sorts of problems if there were no “foreign doctors” - take a look at the attached and admire the wide racial mix of top doctors. Then thank them for helping people in the UK, rather than dob all foreign doctors as not understanding the problems of locals…
https://www.doctify.com/uk/find/all/united-kingdom/specialists
True but the GOP and Trump hate the EU as it is competing major power group. And it makes decisions that go against the US aim of maintaining dominance in the tech and defense sectors. That is why Trump supporting Brexit - it is the same as Putin’s support for Brexit. They both want to see a weak, divided Europe.
It’s not about race, but about people born here being trained as doctors and nurses and the facilities and funding for that being made a priority. Britain has world class teaching hospitals and we should be training British born doctors, whatever their ethnicity. The NHS continues to be treated as a political football and the status of doctors has deteriorated. It’s not a case of bottoms on seats. We need professionals who know what they are doing without a patient having to repeat themselves ten times to be understood.