Do you think we have benefited from Brexit?

Sorry but I feel it necessary to correct some things in your post that, to me, reflect a misunderstanding.

By almost every measure the EU has been a success (I’m guessing that when you say Europe you are referring to the EU). The EU is a rich, influential bloc and its single market has been a huge success. Wihat is the basis for you to claim it is a failure?

Please explain what the EU decided for the UK - I am seeking specific examples… And please explain how each year the UK parliament continued to pass laws for the UK - but yet you say that everything is decided by the EU. My own view is the claim “the EU dictates our laws” is a lazy and inaccurate notion. I never hear “the EU dictates German or French laws”.

Do you mean coalition governments? Yes there are a number of them and this is often the outcome of proportional voting. But there is a strong case that such a coalition approach leads to better decision making in governments rather than a majority rule by one party stuck in a single ideology. I give you the privatisation of the UK’s water supply. as an example

A three - way coalition or hung parliament is I believe possible. Do Reform and Labour have any overlapping polices or they’d never agree on anything?

I think you may be proven right. But the more likely coalition would be Conservative - Reform, surely? That would be a little bit funny. Reform with so many defected Tory MPs, creating a government with much more experienced Tory ministers, voted in by people who were fed up with the Tories, and lots of very naive new Reform MPs getting the run around (in the same way the Liberals were shafted back under Cameron’s first government).

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I do Annie, that’s why I’m voting for Reform…It’s all anyone can do…
But who do you think all the incommers will vote for?
Is that why they are allowed to come here?

Are you saying my shiny new passport will not get me the dole? Do I need a rubber dinghy?

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Both of you are (rightly) unhappy that politicians are rarely held accountable for their wasteful decisions. Money is spent badly and the politicians just shrug. It is not good we all agree.
But.
One of the issues raised was the very costly and wasteful exercise by the previous government to establish Rwanda as a place to send people coming into the UK. And worse than wasteful it was mostly performative by the Tories. Most likely illegal, definitely expensive and soon it became clear it was unworkable.
Guess what Reform plans to do? Exactly the bleedin same. The same dumb, illegal, unworkable concept, maybe a different country, that will cost billions and deliver nothing other than a wave of law suits.
Remind me, which party do you think is going to solve problems? Can you need not see the lack of consistency in your thinking? Rwanda was a debacle so I’m going to vote for more of that please…

Voting reform is not holding the government to account. It’s not a good reason to vote for a party without experience or sensible policies

We don’t have much choice at the moment because all the parties, including the one in power, are full of amateurs nowadays.

if you lose your passport and memory before you get here

Having just spent 20 minutes looking for my keys, knowing that I let myself in the house with them 15 minutes before, dumped all my washing out of the machine in case they fell in, searched under the bed, tore the kitchen apart then discovered they were hanging from my belt on the other side to normal, then, yes, loss of memory is a real option.

I do know where both my passports are (I think).

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When we actually get ‘Brexit’, I’ll let you know :thinking:**

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What aspect of Brexit is not yet fulfilled?

£350 million a week to the nhs.

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:thinking: :grinning:

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Blue passports = Brexit achieved

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My UK passport looks black to me, the Aussie one is blue.

This is starting to remind me of this debate …

I think Brexit has affected the British people much more than they thought, the departure from the EU has affected their colour sense. This is a blue British passport:


This is a black one:

It’s like one on those farrow and ball paints. Different impressions in different lights

Absolutely Not.
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