Azz, can you not just confirm that although you do not share her views, she did not deserve to die for them, if indeed that was the cause of the killing?
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Iām not justifying murder - I am saying I have no sympathy for her, and I am well within my rights, both legally and morally to hold that position.
Iām out on a hike but will respond to the other comments when I get back in, but in short, YES, hateful comments DO lead to people committing suicide or being attacked. Thereās a vid about Stochastic terrorism that I have posted previously and I will also post the trailer for the film Prayers for Bobby, which is based on a true story.
Isnāt this how it all starts ā¦ hate breeds hate.
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No. Letās not forget the famous quote āThe only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.ā
Those who stand by and do nothing are just as bad as the perpetrators imo. We have a moral duty to speak up against hate and injustices.
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But you have to agree hate feeds hatred.
It does.
Speaking up against injustices is one thing ā¦ and to be encouraged as it can provoke thought, reassessment of social opinion and finally change ā¦ which is why hate for hateās sake is non-productive and eventually rather self-annihilating as it just perpetuates an eternal circle.
And weāre not talking a mass murderer here who might have been better drowned in a bucket at birth ā¦but one old woman who lived alone, made an easy target and who was hit over the head and murdered,
Do I need to get my coat Azz? 
If you say yes I shall sulk.
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No matter if anyone personally liked her or loathed her, it was a dreadful way for a 78 year old woman to die, she would have been helpless and terrified in the killers grip.
Seems a young guy in his 20s has been arrested, what the hell was he thinking.
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Robbery? At least they seem to have caught him quickly.
Well it must be assumed the guys liberty will be taken away and for what FGS?
Of course not. Youāre allowed to share your opinion, not like you are personally attacking anyone or our members 
This is not hate for hateās sake. Widdecombe is a hateful character who is worthy of contempt and all the hate directed at her - sheās not some innocent ol biddy - she had a platform and she used it to spread hate. A despicable person.
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Add this to my post above:
For those who think anti-immigrant sentiment/racism, sexism, and other types of bigotry is harmless or doesnāt lead to actually assaults, watch this:
For those who think homophobia and anti-lgbt sentiment doesnāt lead to suicide, watch this - itās a trailer about a film based on a true story:
I think the full film might actually be here:
For anyone who watches those and still thinks that kind if hate is āokā then I feel sorry for your offspring, because statistically one (or a few) will either be on the gay spectrum, or might marry someone of colour and have children who will be mixed race, or be a woman, or part of some other minority group. By perpetuating the kind of hate Widdecombe did, you will be making life harder for them. If you want to be despised by your future grandkids or great-grandkids, sure, keep supporting hateful people like Widdecombe, and Farage, and Hopkins, and all the other despicable lot.
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She made the world worse for a lot of vulnerable people.
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I felt sorry for her, she seemed a slightly tragic character. I felt her recent politics were a struggle to be accepted by a group and that was the only group that needed support from someone of her political stature. I didāt really listen to her views.
Totally agree, Rox.
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Well News this morning, is the man they arrested was innocent, and has been cleared and released.
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It did all seem rather too quick ā¦ why is it these days the media seems too keen to write the news before it has even happened?
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Morty, personally I hate the media, they should not be allowed to get away with how they behave.
They say whatever they want, true or false, they ruin peopleās lives, tap phones and intrude and spy.
I stopped buying newspapers ten years ago as I was sick of it. IMO only, they are a toxic nest of vipers who need to be Reined in hard, and made to pay dearly for a lot of their their actions, maybe then theyāll stop.
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This is very true. The days of proper investigative journalism appear to be almost over. I remember the Sunday Times Insight team doing some proper investigations. And the Telegraph breaking the MPs expenses scandal. But these proper efforts at journalism seem to be significantly fewer.
Instead the growth is in gossip journalism, especially (but not limited to) celebrities. This seems to be where the phone tapping and spying mostly goes on. However this is the media feeding the demand. People are willing to pay for such tosh so that is what we get.
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Agreed, but the government should stop them, theyād be quick enough to act if several of them were the target.
It seems to me, they look and dig into your background and if nothing is found they dig deeper, your immediate family and further back the generations untill something gives. Just toxic muck rakers the lot of them.
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Private Eye had names for them:
Lunchtime OāBooze (a spineless āstreet of shameā reporter), Glenda Slagg (a brash, self-contradictory Fleet Street columnist), and Phil Space (a generic name for redundant columnists).
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I believe itās the government (establishment) that are behind a lot of the propaganda we now see in the media.
I would suspect that more suicides are connected to the media with their doom and gloom news items, and social media sites that are strongly biased.
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