Good post Mags. I have nothing against non-vaxxers but what is annoying is the anti-vaxxers who campaign and pontificate against the vaccine.
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Covid data for Sunday, 21 November 2021
Global Cases: 257,433,040
Increase: 497,231
Global Deaths: 5,163,714
Increase: 8,498
Australia
Cases 198,444 Change: 1,468
Deaths 1,944 Change: 6
Critical 89
Cases per Million 7,659
UK
Cases 9,806,034 Change: 39,881
Deaths 143,866 Change: 150
Critical 923
Cases per Million 143,405
USA
Cases 48,558,229 Change: 36,633
Deaths 793,539 Change: 2,441
Critical 11,824
Cases per Million 145,518
Canada
Cases 1,764,305 Change: 1,871
Deaths 29,491 Change: 10
Critical 501
Cases per Million 46,185
France
Cases 7,395,222 Change: 22,678
Deaths 118,446 Change: 23
Critical 1,049
Cases per Million 112,950
Data from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
If you donāt rate twitter Bruce, how about the BBC?
I agree with you Mags, but itās not the vaccine that is causing the problems, itās the vaccine passports and freedoms that are being taken away. There are many vaxxed people taking part in the protests.
Thatās right Foxy, there are two distinct things in the offing here.
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Just a minority Bruce?
Covid data for Monday, 22 November 2021
Global Cases: 257,821,975
Increase: 388,935
Global Deaths: 5,167,773
Increase: 4,059
Australia
Cases 199,659 Change: 1,215
Deaths 1,948 Change: 4
Critical 76
Cases per Million 7,706
UK
Cases 9,845,492 Change: 39,458
Deaths 143,927 Change: 61
Critical 923
Cases per Million 143,980
USA
Cases 48,592,810 Change: 34,581
Deaths 793,651 Change: 112
Critical 11,775
Cases per Million 145,620
Canada
Cases 1,765,907 Change: 1,602
Deaths 29,498 Change: 7
Critical 501
Cases per Million 46,226
France
Cases 7,414,971 Change: 19,749
Deaths 118,461 Change: 15
Critical 1,049
Cases per Million 113,251
Data from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Covid data for Tuesday, 23 November 2021
Global Cases: 258,396,180
Increase: 574,205
Global Deaths: 5,174,504
Increase: 6,731
Australia
Cases 200,651 Change: 992
Deaths 1,968 Change: 20
Critical 80
Cases per Million 7,744
UK
Cases 9,889,926 Change: 44,434
Deaths 143,972 Change: 45
Critical 911
Cases per Million 144,628
USA
Cases 48,748,557 Change: 155,747
Deaths 794,864 Change: 1,213
Critical 11,936
Cases per Million 146,084
Canada
Cases 1,770,106 Change: 4,199
Deaths 29,526 Change: 28
Critical 501
Cases per Million 46,335
France
Cases 7,420,237 Change: 5,266
Deaths 118,555 Change: 94
Critical 1,049
Cases per Million 113,330
Data from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Goodness @Bruce, I see Australia has now topped the 200,000 cases mark 
It doesnāt seem that long ago that I used to envy your country for just having just 900 odd cases compared to our thousands of thousands.
Thatās the Delta variant for you. I think the majority of those cases will be in Victoria, Melbourne has spent more time in lockdown than any city in the world apparently.
The odd thing is that since opening up in Victoria, NSW and ACT there have not been the number of cases predicted by government modelling.
I came across this video showing how Covid outbreaks happened in NSW it clearly shows how Delta made a big difference.
Frances criticalās aināt moved since October 20th, question these statistics. 
Covid data for Wednesday, 24 November 2021
Global Cases: 259,014,754
Increase: 618,574
Global Deaths: 5,182,968
Increase: 8,464
Australia
Cases 202,114 Change: 1,463
Deaths 1,973 Change: 5
Critical 90
Cases per Million 7,800
UK
Cases 9,932,408 Change: 42,482
Deaths 144,137 Change: 165
Critical 928
Cases per Million 145,247
USA
Cases 48,835,216 Change: 86,659
Deaths 796,319 Change: 1,455
Critical 12,178
Cases per Million 146,342
Canada
Cases 1,772,319 Change: 2,213
Deaths 29,555 Change: 29
Critical 480
Cases per Million 46,392
France
Cases 7,450,691 Change: 30,454
Deaths 118,653 Change: 98
Critical 1,406
Cases per Million 113,795
Data from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Thatās better
is anyone else as confused about lockdowns as me? Surely locking down to prevent the spread of the disease only makes the population more vulnerable to the next varient and the population isnāt building any natural immunity ā¦
I know the vaccine is supposed to give some protection but they are now saying that protection diminishes over timeā¦a country canāt live in lockdown thats not possible and surely with each varient stronger than the last the population becomes more vulnerable with each lockdown
There is a middle ground in attitude, but, that goes against the grain.
I agree with you to a point about lockdowns @summer, however, the governments of the world have interfered big style in their handling of Covid 19. If nobody had ever caught a common cold some vulnerable people would die from it. Viruses and other serious diseases of all descriptions have circulated the planet as long as there have been people to walk on it, and until the 20th century there were no vaccines. Today there are vaccines for the most vicious and most life threatening infections and they have saved many lives giving lifelong protection in most cases, Covid 19 is not one of these vicious illnesses, and most people will shrug it off in a few weeks at most, as Mrs Fox and I did. Yes some people will develop complications or even die, but is this not the same in any illness?
This may sound callous but we donāt vaccinate against some of the more common ailments, and influenza takes a large proportion of the elderly each year despite being vaccinated. You canāt vaccinate against death! and the best way to combat a virus for the community is to allow it to circulate, it will claim lives.
Your health is your responsibility and no one elseās. Not the government, not the NHS, not someone on the forum who calls you selfish, and not your local GP. In a 21st century country Medical help should be available to everyone if you require it, but it should not be the government who decide and legislate over what you decide to do. We are becoming a nanny state and this is not what the government are there to do.
Vaccines should be made available for those that want it, and lockdowns should not be enforced by law. If you feel vulnerable you should take the vaccine and lock yourself down. You canāt force the world to live by your standards (not you personally Summer) and people will refuse the vaccines, not wear masks and visit crowded places. Most of these people (mainly the young) will suffer no more from covid than the common cold, and they will protect the elderly and vulnerable by driving the virus out of society just like it was with all the other pandemics.
I would never knowingly contract the virus, but in a way Iām glad that I caught covid and surviving it was a bonus, and I donāt care what the BBC scientists say, natural immunity is far superior to any vaccine and will help me to prevent future infections, or at least provide a good outcome if I do catch it again.
Things are hotting up in Europe!
Our cases are also increasing!
My Christmas vacay might go bust AGAIN if they close the borders!
Our infections are also rising @Minx but there doesnāt seem to be the urgency that there was last year. Lets hope the vaccines can prevent so many deaths as we saw last year.
Although there are over two thousand hospitals in England and only 928 critical covid patients Iām wondering why the cardiac wards are choc-o-block and the ambulance service is unable to copeā¦Something we are not being told I suspect.
Stay safe Minx I donāt have that many daughters that I can afford to lose oneā¦ 
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Awwwh sly old grey 
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That deserves a hug!!!
back to the grind, gotta pay the bills 
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In regard of all the anti-vaccine controversy ,why donāt we have
a scheme where the serious anti vaxxer has only to sign an undertaking
that if they do develop covid after refusing a vaccination,then they agree
to forgo any NHS treatment that might be needed to save their lives or
make them better ?
This will have the effect of protecting the NHS and everybody will then
be happy ??
Donkeyman! 
