Are you trolling again JBR?
I don’t feed trolls & that’s why you didn’t get the answers you wanted - and that is why you’re posting off-topic posts like this to get a reaction from me.
In other words: trolling.
Cease and desist.
You should know better by now.
These figures are incorrect Omah, vastly overstated…
Not like you to make such a major error…:shock:
Please supply the correct figures with your sources and links … and then I will provide my sources and links … 
I don’t think JB was referring to you Zaphod…
Who? :surprised:
Apologies JB…
OK, I’ll go first:
Coronavirus: Almost 30,000 ‘excess’ care homes deaths
Published 3 July 2020
Almost 30,000 more care home residents in England and Wales died during the coronavirus outbreak than during the same period in 2019, ONS figures show.
But only two-thirds were directly attributable to Covid-19.
The Office for National Statistics figures are the first to reveal the full toll on care homes, including deaths that happened in hospital.
Care homes in England will carry out routine testing from Monday.
There were just over 66,000 deaths of care home residents in England and Wales between 2 March and 12 June this year, compared to just under 37,000 deaths last year.
Covid-19 was the leading cause of death for male care home residents, accounting for a third of all deaths, and the second most-common cause of death for female residents, after dementia and Alzheimer’s disease.
See also:
There were just over 66,000 deaths of care home residents in England and Wales between 2 March and 12 June this year, compared to just under 37,000 deaths last year.
We haven’t got to June this year yet Omah…
Would you prefer a duel at dawn since you’re obviously after disageement rather than discussion?
Even after posts have been removed?
Move on before you make yourself look worse than you already do.
FYI supplying a link as I did to provide evidence is widely accepted as being more-than adequate … to anybody but you obviously.
If you’re incapable of understanding the warning that not everybody can read the link that is your problem and yours alone.
Get over it and move on.
Whatever happens from now on only time will tell but hopefully even if infections increase in number as has been expected, the number of hospitalizations and fatalities will stay low.
Spot-on OGF.
The blatant attempts at deception from there seem habitual.
He was and not for the first time, hence my response.
The post links an article dated:
Published 3 July 2020
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Please read and comprehend … :!:
*** Posts have been removed, stop the bickering please.
[SIZE=“4”]Covid: Deaths below average for first time since summer[/SIZE]
"Deaths in the UK have fallen below the five-year average for the first time since the summer.
Experts say it means the winter wave of Covid deaths has ended and lockdown and the vaccine rollout have saved lives.
In the week up to 12 March, 14% of all deaths involved Covid, compared with 44% at the 22 January peak, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show."
Can we start saying that lives are being prolonged because of Covid if the death rate resists below the average?
I think you are been far too critical of Boris Omah. I have never voted tory and probably never will, however…
Boris hastily took up the post of PM after the previous two incumbents made such a hash of things. He had to deal with exiting the EU to the satisfaction of the general public, and then the UK was hit by a pandemic the likes of which have never been seen in my lifetime, or Boris’s. Indeed, Boris himself was struck down with the virus. You need to cut the man some slack!..
Nobody realised how serious the situation was going to be, and even in early lockdowns people ignored the rules that Boris and the experts had laid down. It’s not Boris’s fault if people are stupid and try to carry on as normal when the severity of the pandemic becomes apparent.
As your figures correctly suggest, it was soon realised that the elderly and infirm were to bear the brunt of the mortality rates, and I believe that the Nursing and care homes should bear most of the responsibility. They have been trusted with the care of our elderly and it doesn’t come cheap. Mrs Fox has spent the greater part of her life working in these establishments, and in her later years was so disappointed in the deterioration in care, love and attention given to the residents.
Money saving and paperwork have now became more important than the residents themselves. I’m not saying ALL, and there are many dedicated carers and nurses still in the profession, but they face an uphill struggle these days. The residents were infected by allowing people to bring in the virus from outside, someone had to bring the virus into the care home. Sloppy nursing and negligence on the part of the management. In Mrs Fox’s day they did something called ‘Barrier Nursing’ where nobody entered the room of a resident without full protection. In the case of outside diseases like colds and flu, staff had to remain on site and live in for a while to prevent bringing infections into the home.
With less elderly deaths now thanks to the vaccines and better knowledge of how easy it is to spread viruses perhaps something good has come out of this pandemic. Let’s hope so.
Boris might have been a little slow out of the blocks, but he sure has made up for it now.
You make some very good points, OGF.
I think that people tend to forget the damage done by Cameron and especially Treason May. I really don’t know how she has the nerve to show her face in Parliament. Yes indeed, he did have a great deal to put right and made the right moves, although I believe he still needs to go further.
No, it certainly isn’t Boris’s fault when he has done all he can to encourage people to behave responsibly, only to find that many people - literally thousands in some instances - just ignore both his rules and simple common sense. With such numbers opposing him, what can he do? Well, as I’ve said, I’d like to see water cannon and severe penalties, but even then Boris is up against a strong do-gooder force, including the Civil Service and the judiciary.
You make an excellent point about how the virus managed to infect old-people in care homes. Visitors, even staff, who have not taken precautions? I can’t see any other way it could get in unless the ‘inmates’ themselves went out on walkabout.
BJ ejected infected old people from hospitals into care homes to make way for the anticipated “younger” surge in COVID cases:
Covid-19 ripped through care homes at the start of the pandemic, as elderly people proved extremely vulnerable to the virus. It emerged that many elderly people were discharged from hospitals into care homes in March to free up beds - without being tested. This decision has been blamed for helping the virus to spread.
Guidance to care homes in February said: “This guidance is intended for the current position in the UK where there is currently no transmission of Covid-19 in the community. It is therefore very unlikely that anyone receiving care in a care home or the community will become infected.”
The guidance said there was no need for staff to wear masks.
The guidance said there was no need for staff to wear masks.
But surely, it’s the responsibility of care home management and staff to decide what is appropriate in their care home?
Even if the pandemic turned out to be flu, precautions should have been taken to protect the old and vulnerable, flu would probably had the same outcome as Covid if it had been let loose in a care home environment.
Boris can only recommend safety measures, he was PM last time I looked, not an experienced care home manager who has to deal with this sort of thing on a regular basis, isn’t that why we send our elderly relative to care homes and not to Westminster.
I don’t know …
Ask a care home management specialist … 
or read:
This guidance is intended to help those providing and managing care homes – to give them a better understanding of the real risks and how to manage them effectively. It has been extensively rewritten, with a number of new topics, and brings together key messages on risks to both workers and residents. It will also be of interest to others working in social care.
This new edition was published during a period of change. At the time of publication (June 2014), HSE and local authorities investigate serious worker and resident incidents. Under the Enforcing Authority Regulations, HSE regulates homes with nursing and local authority owned or run care homes. Other homes are regulated by local authorities.
However, from 1st April 2015 the Care Quality Commission (CQC) in England became the lead investigator of incidents where residents have been harmed because of unsafe or poor quality care.
What I do know is:
March 11: Deputy Chief Medical Officer Jenny Harries said wearing a face mask is “usually quite a bad idea” and “doesn’t help.”
April 2: NHS rules on discharging hospital patients to care homes stated that “negative tests are not required prior to transfers/admissions into the care home.”
then, a volte-face:
April 15: The government announced all patients discharged from hospitals into care homes would be tested.
I see.
Why make way for young people if all they do is congregate in their hundreds or thousands.
Send the covidiots to old people’s homes.