I think you need to do some more research…
The old vaccine was a live vaccine. The new one is not…
The blue grid is just as misleading as your previous posts Realist. The NHS isn’t vaccinating 12 million people a year and 65 - 69 year olds aren’t eligible. Most people only get one shot at age 70. Please stop posting inaccurate information.
I thoroughly agree with you Mart! I attend a specialist cancer hospital every year, since they got rid of my tumour I have noticed that it is always so busy!
I said to my oncologist " Why are so many more people getting cancer. They must be because this place is always so busy!
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He replied " The reason we are so busy is because we are killing so many tumours, and this means many years of out patient clinics, for the patients, to make sure they do not return."
One stray cancer cell can move to another area of the body and and start another tumour, so check ups can catch this early. The survival rate is now around 50% of cancer patients, and there is a strong opinion that current treatments will increase that much further.
That hospital was founded in 1901, when all patients died. :-
I am pleased to say that I have now been clear for over 6 years, so they must be doing something right…despite Realist protestations!:roll:
Wrong. The haematologist won’t have anything to do with vaccine provision to the GP practice or have any idea of what’s in stock.
Vaccinations strengthen the immune response. It’s not the same as taking medication.
They don’t vaccinate everyone. The blue grid is totally misrepresenting facts.
When I was in Boots the other day they told a customer to come back in September as they did not have the flu vaccine for this year yet.
There have been press reports of a simple new screening blood test to check for a range of cancers. So hopefully evenually it will move from patients having constant outpatient appointments to a simple blood test. The fact that it is 90% accurate at diagnosing the silent killer (ovarian) cancer is a real boost for so many women.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/01/health/blood-test-cancer-screening-intl/index.html
I do too Tabby.
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about all the tablets my husband is putting into his body will probably end up killing him, he just takes the tablets the doctor prescribes (its horrendous the amount he takes). I asked him to question why he’s taking a tablet for this and a tablet for that the answer he got is ‘prevention is better than the cure’ He is diabetic and I understand he would need to take metformin but he takes tablets for things he hasn’t even got like blood pressure and cholestrol and it just seems ridiculous.
He still takes all of them because he trusts the doctors know what they are talking about and I find it really frustrating because I worry about the amount of tablets he takes.
I can only sympathise LQ. In the end every man/woman has to find their own way in life, you can’t force people down certain routes. If they don’t believe with their hearts and minds in something then they won’t follow that path.
You’re talking codswallop Annie. The vaccine is licensed for people aged 50yrs and above. It is recommended for people aged 60yrs and above. It is offered FREE by the NHS to those 70yrs and above.
This isn’t about the NHS. This isn’t about one section of the age group. It’s about the vaccine as a whole.
Anyone from age 50yrs up CAN have the vaccine, they may have to pay for it, but they CAN have it. The NHS is NOT the be all and end all. There are lots of private clinics that sell and administer the vaccine too.
You’re too jaded and emotionally attached here. You’re clearly affiliated in some way to the NHS or the health industry.
There are 12 million people aged 65yrs and up in the UK.
That’s the target audience for the vaccine.
The take up is around 50% levels but the industry wants that to increase.
So sure, they are not vaccinating all 12 million at this time, but that is the target audience.
My point stands, which is that for such a TINY percentage of people that develop Shingles we don’t need a vaccine for the millions of other people, we just need a suitable treatment for those who do get Shingles. But of course that simple logical notion doesn’t generate $millions for vaccine manufacturers.
The saving grace here I think is that the population is starting to wake up. More and more people are starting to see the truth of the world they find themselves in and are making life changes and getting back to Nature rather than Big Pharma snake oil. Hence vaccine take up is dropping.
You’re the one talking disingenuous nonsense and drawing amateur diagrams that twist the truth into a fairytale. This thread is about the NHS programme.
You are totally misleading people with phony facts, about the shingles vaccine. 12 million people are not being vaccinated in the UK. Very few will bother to get vaccinated before age 70 at a private clinic.
So stop posting fake data and lies. It’s not offered to anyone over 70 years by the NHS, it’s offered to 70 year olds.
LMAO
Up till recently vaccines were pumping Thimerosal into people, which is 50% toxic mercury, horrendously harmful to the human body. There are other nasty ingredients too. The flu vaccine only helps 1 in every 100 people vaccinated, really poor statistics. Why would anyone inject this chemical cocktail into their bodies for such tiny gain?
People need to understand how the vaccine industry operates. I’ve posted prolifically about the fraudulent flu vaccine in numerous other threads.
Read again the CDC presentation by Glen Nowak where they instruct health authorities to engage in a campaign of fear using the media in order to boost demand for the vaccine
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“The CDC’s drive to instil fear and panic among the public in an effort to entice individuals to get flu shots was brought to light in a 2004 presentation to the American Medical Association (AMA) by Glen Nowak, the agency’s former communications director for its National Immunization Program. In the prepared presentation, Nowak boldly describes what he refers to as a “recipe” for fostering vaccine demand”
https://iom.nationalacademies.org/~/media/E9B963EDB28645C5ABCC22467120662D.ashx
Scroll down to page 6 of this CDC presentation to see their “Recipe for fostering demand for the vaccine”
"3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.
- The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:
A. Significant media interest and attention
B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behaviour (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)"
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Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people –helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.
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Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)"
It’s a damning example of what this entire vaccine industry is about. From the very top down, they are actively engaged in promoting “Campaigns of Fear” to the vulnerable public in order to generate demand for their vaccines.
It’s is fraudulent, sick and utterly evil.
Yes I know someone who thinks that you can stop cancer in its tract by placing an onion on a cut in your leg and this will draw the cancer out.
The reason “Big Pharma” drugs cost so much is because they have to do years of research trials before a drug is approved. they have to offset R&D costs against sales and make a profit. It takes years to recoup the investment.
Sorry realist but you are the one promoting a “campaign of fear” and posting fake facts. A vaccine works by stimulating the immune response to recognise a threat and be ready. It’s pretty simple. There’s absolutely nothing sinister about it.
Worldwide vaccination programmes are why nobody dies of smallpox any more and children don’t contract polio and end up paralysed from the neck down for life.
No Annie, the thread was about whether Artangel needed to have the vaccination. It is nothing at all to do with the NHS to which you are clearly affiliated. The discussion has been about the vaccine itself and it’s impact in the UK.
Yep because many are wise and refuse to have it, same as the snake oil flu vaccine. Take up is only around 50%. But the FACT remains there are 12 million people at the age where they could have the vaccine (from clinics or elsewhere). 12 million IS the target audience.
Stop having teenage tantrums. I’m not posting lies. I’m posting the FACTS, the real numbers of UK population by age, the real numbers of people who develop Shingles, the real numbers of people who die from Shingles. I cite references for all those FACTS. You can not dispute them.
OMG we can’t still be debating this!!! Stop lying Annie !
The FACTS are indisputable. Here they are AGAIN !!!
Scotland Health Guidance for vaccine candidates:
I quote:
“In line with previous years, those who were eligible for the programme from the start (and who did not previously take up the offer of vaccination) can still be vaccinated. This includes those aged 71-74 (inclusive) and 77 to 79 (inclusive) – see Annex B for further detail on dates of birth”
It VERY CLEARLY states that the vaccine is offered to ALL ages from 70 through to 80. The ONLY ages that are ineligible are 65, 75 and 80.
Your frustrations are getting the better of you. You are not telling the truth. Poor show.
Are you actually just sitting at home with your thumbs in your ear going “nah nah nah I can’t hear you” ?!!
Read the FACTS
The CDC presentation instructing health authorities to engage in a Campaign of Fear. Page 6
https://iom.nationalacademies.org/~/...67120662D.ashx
“Recipe for fostering demand for the vaccine”
"3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.
Yep and no-one is saying that ALL vaccines are bad. That’s just your sensationalism and generalisation.
The FLU VACCINE is utter fraudulent snake oil, a complete waste of time yet pushed relentlessly by the NHS and other health authorities every year.
The SHINGLES VACCINE is a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist. The numbers of people getting Shingles each year is pitifully tiny. We don’t need a vaccine for it.
Isn’t it time you came clean with readers here and declared your affiliation to the health industry?
You are posting total misleading rubbish realist. You haven’t bothered to read the documents you reference properly. Go back and re-read without missing out entire paragraphs.
12 million people in the UK are not being vaccinated for shingles each year - that’s a total lie. You keep making up numbers that just aren’t backed up by any evidence. When caught out you just carry on lying.
I think that to keep up such constant, vociferous attacks against orthodox healthcare you must have a business in the alternative healthcare sector.
Tell us which vaccines are good. Say something positive about vaccines for a change.
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Are you actually just sitting at home with your thumbs in your ear going “nah nah nah I can’t hear you” ?!!
Read the FACTS
The CDC presentation instructing health authorities to engage in a Campaign of Fear. Page 6
https://iom.nationalacademies.org/~/...67120662D.ashx
“Recipe for fostering demand for the vaccine”
"3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.
Yep and no-one is saying that ALL vaccines are bad. That’s just your sensationalism and generalisation.
The FLU VACCINE is utter fraudulent snake oil, a complete waste of time yet pushed relentlessly by the NHS and other health authorities every year.
The SHINGLES VACCINE is a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist. The numbers of people getting Shingles each year is pitifully tiny. We don’t need a vaccine for it.
Isn’t it time you came clean with readers here and declared your affiliation to the health industry?[/QUOTE
What silly nonsense, we are glad of our flu vaccine, and will have the shingles vaccine too when we can.