Yup I agree with you it sometimes spouts rubbish to the lower orders, take this article for example:
Please explain if this is the case why everyone want’s to come here still?
Think Strathmore forgot to send them the memo.
Bad administration, no excuse for it.
Would love to see Patten and this lady having a debate:
No one could accuse Labour of letting the facts get in the way of a good story. The UK is, by their account, “the sick man of Europe” – and Brexit was an economic mistake.
So often do Labour repeat these falsehoods that they are starting to become received wisdom, aided, in no small part, by the turbulent macro-economic environment. And few, outside the City, seem to have noticed that Labour’s claims are demonstrably false.
To debunk these myths, I will demonstrate that the UK has performed better on all major economic indicators – GDP growth, wages and unemployment and inflation – than its European counterparts and that, as Conservatives, we need to be more robust in setting the record straight.
This question confuses me. In 2022 there were these asylum seekers according to de.statista.com:
Germany: 217735
France: 137510
Spain: 116135
Austria: 106380
Italy: 77200
GB: 44250
Are you sure that everyone wants to come to the UK?
Why do so many risk their lives crossing the channel from France to get to the UK?
ack in 2020 Guido bet Anand Menon that by the time of the next election, UK GDP would be higher than France’s GDP – at the time they were neck and neck in GDP terms. *The latest data suggests that unless France achieves double digit economic growth next year he’s buying dinner at a Michelin starred French restaurant…
Poor Brexit Britain” both beats Eurozone member France on GDP per capita and has extended its lead in GDP terms from a $65 billion bigger economy to $287 billion bigger economy. *Not something remainers and economists predicted…
*2022 UK $3,070,600,000,000 versus France 2,782,777,000,000
They are just numbers, and don’t involve small boats.
This article is full of hot air and delusion .
We have rampant inflation and we doing better than Europe ?
That is not a benefit .
Is that rather a “yes” or a “no” according to my question?
Oh …
It’s impossible to be sure of anything but one thing is probable, there are lies damned lies and statistics, who knows?
The fact that Gove and so many others are seeking to blame anyone but themselves is not a surprise. There has been plenty of finger pointing as to why the Brexit we have is not working and acting both as a drag on growth and as an accelerator of inflation. We’ve seen this blame game on this forum. The blame is broad and random: it’s the remainers fault, it’s incompetent ministers, it’s the EU, it’s everyone but us true stalwarts of the hardest Brexit. In fact, it’s desperate… and inevitable.
It is inevitable because no minister or civil servant could ever deliver the obvious conflict of Brexit promises. Promise one: exit the customs union and EU trading bloc. Promise two: prices will come down. Promise three: reduce immigration to close to zero. Promise four: increase exports. Promise five: grow the economy. Promise six: have more money to pump into good things in the UK (NHS for example). Promise seven: not to screw up NI. Promise eight: to retain all UK borders.
You simply cannot deliver on promises 2, 4, 5 & 6 while implementing promises 1 & 3. You cannot deliver promise 7 whilst retaining promise 8 (as we have already seen). The harder you push to deliver promises 1 & 3 - the worse the impact on promises 2, 4, 5 & 6.
But if you’ve pegged your colours to the flag of Brexit then its very difficult to water down promises 1 & 3. So instead you blame others. Rather than address the blindingly obvious.
lol at ‘we’ have.
How come Bruce in your mind is an Australian, but for the purposes of this thread you class yourself as if you’re effected by Brexit from a Brit perspective.
You raise a fair point. I think it deserves a considered answer rather than a ‘laugh out loud’.
I can surely say ‘we’ (as opposed to ‘you’ or ‘they’) because I am British. I retain relatives friends, interests and investments in the UK. The success or failings of the UK do directly affect me. Exiting the UK and entering an EU port of entry I have been affected (its with an ‘a’ btw) along with all the other Brits in the non-EU queue. If I wish to import goods from the UK I am affected by Brexit in the same way UK residents are affected if they wish to import goods from the EU.
So unless you want to disagree with all that then I do feel I am justified in using the term ‘we’.
Oh right so it’s how it’s affected you personally, not what’s best for the country.
I think what you say here wendeey applies to many of those who complain about Brexit. They don’t seem able to see the bigger picture and that it will take some years for the true benefits of Brexit to be recognised. I know what their response to that will be because it’s all over this thread but their short-sightedness obscures their ability to see beyond their prejudices, sadly. It’s easy to blame Brexit for all of the problems this country faces at the moment, it prevents the need to look further afield.
Yawn. You are being intentionally aggravating. First you claim I cannot use ‘we’ as you think I cannot include myself as part of the UK or Brexit. Then we I demonstrate that, yes, I can be included in ‘we’ - you then shout “oh, its all about you then is it?”. Go have word with yourself.
But to refute your pathetic claim, I made it clear on a couple of posts previously that the success of the UK overall is of paramount importance. And by success, I do not just mean trade figures and GDP numbers - even though they are important. I also mean the well-being of the population, the pay of public workers, the transport infrastructure, the support for the vulnerable, the opportunities for the young, the support for innovation - the pigging lot. Which is why it has always been so very clear to me that Brexit was always a negative thing for the country as a whole.