You might think so, but I don’t. But this thread isn’t about publications it’s about Brexit, but you’re obsessed about making posts about newspapers.
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That is an unsubstantiated claim with out time frame or proof .
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Thank you but you neither tried to explain why you think that is silly and why you think that I have made my mind up after that post.
Ok, no problem. I just wanted to prove something.
My last critical post concearning the DE is 20 hours ago btw.
Your quick assumptions again. One of the Brexit benefits is that moving to the EU has become much easier now for people from England, Scotland and Wales.
Oh wait…
Besides, parts of the EU are fantastic IMO for example Germany, Belgium, France, Italy, Portugal, Greece
I may be obsessed with some things but right wing rags that spout rubbish to the lower orders is not one of them .
Really it’s not fit to be cut into squares and put on a nail in the outside loo.
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I had to look the word “denigrate” up. Do you think Brexit is denigrated? It seems to me there is just nobody who can tell any benefits. Personally I can see Brexit without any emotions, just trying to find benefits and understand why some people are so happy about it.
I agree Ted, it does seem odd. However, it keeps me amused at times seeing them tie themselves in knots in their attempts to appear relevant in the discussion.
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I think what you have is three people (a German, an Australian and a Scot) who know the UK well and have an affinity for the UK, but do not live there. I would like to think this broad life experience might be able to offer a more international view of things. I do not think that odd.
On the other hand, what might also be viewed as odd, is that there are only 3 or 4 die in the wool Brexit fans who repeatedly defend Brexit on this forum. Not really an overwhelming majority. And I cannot speak for their life experiences or the breadth of all their views.
Your second question was about lost benefits after Brexit. I would have thought that actually an Australian would have gained benefits, rather than lost them. As for a UK citizen living in Europe there are few specific benefits for individuals to lose - if you already lived in the EU at the time of exit. I had some hurdles to work through to get my residency card and change my driving licence. At the time this was very stressful but that it two years ago. So perhaps the single biggest loss is that of no longer being free to work in any other EU country and the now massive complications if I were to work back in the UK (even remote working for a UK client).
Obviously for people still resident in the UK but wishing to live, work or study in Europe there is a massive loss of benefits. But that does not apply to me.
My own desire to highlight the lack of benefits and the flaws in our Brexit is that it is all such a bad idea - in concept and in practice. I literally cannot see a single gain compared to what has been given away. The Larry Summer interview covered that nicely. That and I really dislike the misrepresentation of the issues, the benefits and the potential that so many have promoted from 2016 onwards.
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Well, I live right here in the U.K. and I knew Brexit would be crap for our country, and no surprise, it’s turned out to be even crappier than that
The old Brexiteers will grab at any straw to try to deny what is staring them in the face, though.
They remind me of Oscar Wilde on hunting, “the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible”
But to accuse critics of Brexit who don’t live in the U.K. of only being critical out of self-interest? Really? Desparate……
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In my experience you will very often - even at mature age - find people who cannot admit when something went wrong or when they did something stupid/dangerous/wrong/…
Admitting mistakes or wrong-doings is generally not easy but if somebody is capable of doing it, I have great respect for that person.
Back to the topic “Brexit benefits - where are they?”. It does not affect me personally wether ther are benefits or not. It is more like “Do I need an E-bike? Lets look at the others who have one.”
As it turns out, we do not need a DE-XIT, FR-XIT, XY-XIT to make the affected country better. However you learn a lot while talking to people who are affected. It seems that I have learned a lot about “the people in the UK”.
Sits and waits to see if Bruce jumps on Strathmore’s post most indignantly.
It’s kept at least three minds busy on this Forum for a couple of years, is that not a benefit!
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I voted for Brexit and would do so again if another referendum came along. I am quite happy with my decision and don’t see the need to justify it in continual arguments with those who voted to remain in the EU. In fact some of those with an opposing view to mine come across as quite petulant at times on this thread, which I feel undermines the credibility of their viewpoint anyway.
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I fear you may be mistaking furious and vengeful for petulant! 
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Is there a possibility that the argument has moved on? Back just two years ago the argument was about the logic of leaving the EU and even the validity of the nature of this particular referendum. Now its about the type of Brexit we have been given (note the wording, not the Brexit being discussed in 2016 and not a Brexit anyone voted for).
Here is the situation today. As Chris Patten pointed out on last nights Question Time, Brexit has undoubtedly had a negative impact on UK trade. Exports are down. Imports are more expensive (the UK pays £7bn more for food imports than it did pre-Brexit). Patten was right to highlight that until all politicians (his finger pointed at Starmer as well as Sunak) recognise where the problem is, then there will be no useful solution.
None of this explanation is petulance. However, I can demonstrate petulance if you want: back in 2016 I could have told you that all these problems would occur if the UK voted leave.
(Patten gave two statistics to highlight this ‘worse off’ issue. First, the GDP person in the UK is now less than that of Lithuania. Second, the very poorest in the UK are worse off than the poorest in Poland. His stats not mine.)
Of most interest is that an ex-chairman of the conservative party is now comfortable publicly criticising the Brexit that we have been given. This is another demonstration that there is shift in tone about Brexit. The previous dominance of the right of the Tory party, as faithfully echoed in the tory press, that Brexit is good and a great success is now over. Sunak has introduced a more pragmatic approach that focuses on working better with the EU. This trend will surely continue even though the public acknowledgement that Brexit is a major source of UK problems, not an answer, has yet to come. That, just yet, is a message too far. But the step by step solutions to address the mess that is Brexit will start quietly coming together.
I was simply addressing the point you were making about the lack of contributions from so called Brexit ‘fans’. I suppose I should have expected a diatribe from you in response.
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Thank you for the clarification. Let me address your specific point, please.
There is unlikely to be much difference in numbers or reasons why for those who do not contribute from either side of the argument. Surely there will be as many happy to have voted leave but not chip in as there are unhappy the vote ended up leave but not chip in. So the representation of very active contributors is quite similar - 3 or 4 on both sides. As is the lack of contributions on both sides.
So I do think my statement about the 3-4 die hard Brexit fans is valid. You can call me a die hard remain fan if you want (even though the argument has moved on).
Or do you think that there are in total 3-4 “Brexit was a bad idea” people on this forum all of whom actively contribute and hundreds of Brexit fans but only 3-4 regularly contribute? Happy to be corrected.
Thank you for the clarification. Let me address your specific point, please.
There is unlikely to be much difference in numbers or reasons why for those who do not contribute from either side of the argument. Surely there will be as many happy to have voted leave but not chip in as there are unhappy the vote ended up leave but do not often chip in. So the representation of very active contributors is quite similar - 3 or 4 on both sides. As is the lack of contributions on both sides.
So I do think my statement about the 3-4 die hard Brexit fans is valid. You can call me a die hard remain fan if you want (even though the argument has moved on).
Or do you think that there are in total 3-4 “Brexit was a bad idea” people on this forum all of whom actively contribute and hundreds of Brexit fans but only 3-4 regularly contribute? Happy to be corrected.
Apologies, I was correcting a minor typo using the edit function and ended with two posts that are the same. An error rather then me making a point.
Years after the Vote for leaving and they (the remainers) are still whining.
One of the problems, easy to spot if we look, is that there are still quite a few of these, not just on here, but also in places where the Managenment & Coordination of Brexit should have been properly delivered.
I have to admit that I did not visualise that so many would be likely to do all that they could to ensure that there was no gain without lots of pain.
Let’s not talk about our Civil Service!
Except to say “did they do the job which we pay them to do?”
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