The EU did not exist in 1966 or 1975
Do you still not understand this ? Go and read up on history if you don’t believe me.
So? No one said it did.
You did you said we voted to join the EU.
FFS keep up
The question asked in 1975 during the referendum was : “Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?”
Where does it say EU in there ?
Yes you did, but voting Tory, it was in their Manifesto, which explains their policies and about which elections are fought and which voters give them a mandate for.
You still seem to have absolutely no idea how British elections work. When you voted Tory in 1992 you voted for their great work in signing the Maastricht Treaty, if voters hadn’t approved of it they would obviously have elected Labour.
We have moved past the 1975 Labour referendum to the 1992 election, when you voted Tory you voted for Maastricht That’s how elections work.
It’s not fear mongering we are living and witnessing the non benefits of leaving the EU …
Was it worth leaving … in fifty years time maybe
The election had nothing to do with Maastricht. What are you on about now ? Most people who voted in 1992 had no clue about Maastricht.
People voted Conservative to keep Labour out - who, under Kinnock would have signed up to Maastricht as well.
It is obvious that you didn’t have a clue about it,that’s for sure. But unfortunately for you when you vote for a particular party in a British election you are voting for the platform that they propose in their manifesto and you give them a mandate to carry out that platform.
The fact that you don’t read that manifesto or don’t understand it is not an excuse in the same way that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Voting to keep Labour out on that occasion was the same as saying, “Well done on signing the Maastricht Treaty” whether you knew it or not.
Those are the plain and simple truths of the British election.
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After a quick online search I could not figure out which referendums you mean which took place after Brexit, in Ireland and Denmark.
Ripple stated “…from the EU after witnessing the U.K. Brexit deal”, could you please say when they were held? Thank you.
I certainly never dissed the FTA, but you can be sure it will work in Australia’s favour, FTAs we sign are all about Australian agriculture.
Forty years ago, when the Heath government walked away from Britain’s most loyal friends and steadfast allies and joined the European Economic Community, it was a cruel shock to the many hundreds of thousands of Australians and Kiwis who had fought side by side Britain in two world wars.
It was a devastating economic blow to New Zealand and hurt Australia too. I would also argue it wasn’t much good for British consumers either being lumbered with the highly protectionist Common Agricultural Policy.
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“Australia hosts the largest British expat population in the world—1.2 million people. Incidentally, that’s higher than the total number of Brits living in the other 27 EU member states.”
Are these the sort of lies you’re talking about:
Sir Keir wrote: “Express readers deserve their politicians to be clear about where they stand. So let me spell it out simply.
“Britain’s future is outside the EU. Not in the single market, not in the customs union, not with a return to freedom of movement. Those arguments are in the past, where they belong.
“But they also expect politicians to be honest.
“There is no point pretending everything is working fine. The paper-thin Tory deal has stifled Britain’s potential and hugely weighted trade terms towards the EU. Every day it isn’t built upon, our European friends and competitors aren’t just eating our lunch – they’re nicking our dinner money as well.”
Sir Keir said “ducking hard conversations” would mean Britain slipped behind its competitors.
“Whether it is working with European neighbours to tackle criminal gangs and stop dangerous boat crossings, or driving down the price of food for hard-pressed British families, there is huge potential for change,” he wrote.
“That’s why we should be optimistic.
“Every one of the problems I have outlined can be fixed from outside the EU. But it will require hard work, good relations and – above all - honesty.
“Pretending everything is going fine or ducking hard conversations will see Britain miss opportunities and slip behind our competitors.”
Actually no. Maybe my English is too poor but I cannot see which lies you are adressing. The only lie which I can see in that text is that Starmer assumes that all those issues can be solved from the outside. Considering that the EU knows basically two types of countries (members and non-members vulgo third-countries) I cannot see why he believes that so firmly.
I was thinking about lies like
“There will be no downsides, only considerable upsides”
“Footware and food will be cheaper”
“The rules were followed at all times”
“350 mil EUR for the NHS”
“40 new hospitals”
(I forgot this one from JRM:) “whe will have cheaper foot, clothing and footwear straight away by getting rid of the anti-trade tarrifs that the EU imposes”
Which lies by Starmer did you see in the interview of the DE?
Pew, I really did read the entire article in the DE which you mentioned.
Maybe it is again my poor English but as far as I can tell there is no mention at all of any opportunity for the UK. Yes Malaysia can trade lots of palm oil and the UK can send expertise but the article is more than vague and does not mention any particular opportunits for the UK to trade with Malaysia.
Am I completely wrong?
It’s simple folks voted out the fist time because they were pissed off, now because of all the remainers going round in circles, folks would probably vote to re-enter, average folks will always be pissed off, either way. 
lol that he’s going to go along with what he says he will in that article.
That 350 mil EUR for the NHS wasn’t a lie, because that’s not what was said.
The UK gives the EU a gross contribution of £350 million a week. This is not a lie, and it is an amount which could be spent on the NHS if the UK Government so wished. These are usually touted as lies, but this stems from ‘Remain’ campaigners being unable to tell the difference between the words ‘gross’ and ‘net’ as well as the difference between the words ‘could’ and ‘will’.
Ah, I see. That will maybe a lie in the future then, looking back to today.
Let us judge it then I suppose. I do not doubt that it will be a lie looking back though.
Don’t your German politicians lie or are they all truthful in everything they say.
No, there are some (if not all) who lie sometimes (if not always). Some - like Kanzler Scholz - just claim to not remember anything…
BTW I never claimed German politicians were truthful.
Well instead of picking on UK politicians why don’t you, Strathmore and Bruce just accept that all politicians whatever nationality mislead their populations because it’s got a feeling of racism about it if you don’t accept that and quit just picking on British politicians and going along with the deception yourselves. I’ve got a feeling that you and Strathmore are more concerned about your own countries now that the UK has left the EU than the UK and that in itself is a deception.
There are two reasons why I do not accept that “…accept that all politicians whatever…”:
- I do not know wether that is true. “Knowing” instead of “believing”.
- We are in a forum discussing Brexit benefits and not “truthfulness of politicians worldwide”.
There is no racism involved unless you claim that people/politicians from the UK are a “race”. I am sure you do not imply that.
No idea what Strathmore thinks about it but Brexit has had next to no effect at all on “my” country so far. I was just curious about the outcome of the referendum in 2016 and shocked about the lies that were sold to the voters. I watched many hours of parliamentTV and could not believe how difficult it was to come to decisions there.
That is why I am merely an interested observer watching the success of Brexit and the mighty prospering of the UK since then.