And have been saying ever since, until Brexit reared it’s ugly head, and upset the rovers.
Bruce, I know you were an early pioneer rover.
Scrub that. Brexit means the UK now has a global population.
No Bruce, I mean racism.
If you want to go back far enough, we are all natives of the same place - under a tree in the Garden of Eden.
May I check and challenge some of the notions you put forward here?
Let’s get the headline info out of the way. There was approx 6m applications for settled status by EU citizens in the UK. This was split roughly 50/50 between long term (granted permanent status) and short term. But that was applications. By 2021 census there was 3.9m EU people living in the UK. In the meantime many 100’s of thousands of applications were rejected by the UK - a significant percentage without justification. Causing much distress.
Let’s look through the lens of the other direction. About 1.3 million UK citizens live in EU countries. The residency process complexity, the speed of processing and the percentage of approvals varied by each country. However, overall, the process favoured the applicant. Thus people with second homes were readily able to claim a residency card (illegally but that is their decision, presumably to gain convenience of travel and stay). So you are right about the replication not quite being the same - but its the UK that was vindicative.
Second point that you easily ignore. The vast majority of UK citizens in EU countries (vast, perhaps 80%+) are retired and elderly. This is a massive imposition on the host countries resources. Unlike the EU citizens in the UK who are majority (hugely) of younger working age. Contributing to the economy and paying needed tax contributions (unlike small pension tax contributions by UK people in the EU). The EU is subsidizing UK old people care. Considerably. So less about EU vindictiveness and more about EU generosity.
Better off with no benefits, if it causes so many arguments.
No benefits = no benefit scroungers, that must please some folks!!!
Your making things up again mate. Spain in particular have been completely disgusting. But what do you expect from a government that legalises sex with animals.
Uk pensioners living in the EU are paying their way through their UK pensions, which theyve earned through taxed income, the same with the houses they buy there, propping up spains failing housing markets… At least get that right.
Such as? I’ve not heard of this issue. Have you examples of the issues in Spain?
And how does their monthly pension payments (I guess state and private) pay of the huge cost of care for high dependency old people? The cataracts? The falls? The serious age related illnesses? I’m astonished that you think a modest pension will generate anything like the tax revenues needed…
Oh yes, those who voted Brexit knowing they had connections which meant they could get EU passports and bail out when Brexit destroyed the U.K. were the worst type of hypocritical scum
I could get an Irish passport because my current husband is Irish ( who knows what the next one will be, as I like to tell him )
And my children could too, because their father, my first husband…also Irish…… (OK, I have a type!)
I’m encouraging the children to because it will give them more opportunities and a safety net and I don’t see why they should pay for the stupidity of those that voted Brexit
But I am a Brit, and an English Brit at that, and proud of it, so I’ll stick with my U.K. passport although I am ashamed of the colour of it now, another humiliation the Brexiteers have inflicted on me
The £85 a day rule that suddenly became policy after Brexit for a start and their frustration of the border at Gibraltar.
They can claim healthcare through the UK NHS system. It used to be an E101 card but now called EHIC I think.
Sorry, please explain.
If you mean evidencing sufficient funds to live in Spain without depending on state aid, then I think you are all a bit unclear on the withdrawal agreement rules for applying for residency. But you might mean something else…
I would do more research and less of the thinking you attempt. The E101 / EHIC card is for tourism, not residency. As a resident you need to enter the tax system, the social charges system and then the state care system. Once have proven you are providing social charge contributions (essentially the same as our national insurance payments) then you may get approved to be in your host countries health service. Which is paid for by your host country and the social charges everyone pays.
British people who are in their later years will not have been paying in for all their lives into their host country’s health care system. Thus it is the overall population of your host country that is paying for the health care system. You as a late arrival will make minor contributions but as you are older and more prone to illness, you are most likely to be drawing down heavily on the care system. The tourist EHIC card will not be accepted.
No I am clear on this. These stunts aren’t replicated on the UK and many other countries.
The UK has never been in Schengen so why is the £85 rule applied now.
Qw should ban the EU fleet from our waters until they grow up and want to make a sensible deal with us.
EU citizens living in the UK haven’t paid into the NHS all their lives either but they are still entitled to use it and the rest of our benefits system.
Uk citizens living in the EU need to take out private insurance or use their EHiC card
See ?
Wouldn’t it be Iceland all over again? Except French and German gunboats protecting their fleet against British patrol boats.
I think you have grasped that the agreement of being able to gain access to a country’s health care system is reciprocal. Yes, EU citizens can access the NHS if they qualify, in the same way UK citizens can join their host country’s health system, if they qualify. They do not need to rely on private health insurance. You are quite wrong on that matter. The point you (willfully) miss is that the age demographic is very different. EU citizens living and working in the UK are, in the vast majority, young and healthy. UK citizens living in the EU are, in the vast majority, old, retired and a significant burden on the local health system. Which was my original point.
I really have no idea what this £85 rule is - can you explain and provide details? Man, I live in the EU, I know UK people who live in Spain. Never heard of it.