I don’t blame you, it certainly doesn’t support your point of view, it is really probably intended for people of a more open mind.
.As for little mention of any benefit? How would you know? you didn’t watch it all.
That is so far the best and perhaps only reason for Brexit, there may be no benefits except that one but one watches from afar with interest. We wonder what will be made of this new found freedom?
But no country is completely isolated, except perhaps North Korea. Which means, as all countries do, the UK needs to trade, to cooperate and to align standards to other countries. And as Truss found out, no country can make unilateral decisions and try to ignore global markets. Truss’ naivety was that she thought that it did not matter what the markets thought of major policy changes. So I would rather suggest that limiting yourself to self-governance is to ignore the realities of how the world operates. Autonomy is a fiction.
So is Globalism.
Except globalism does exist and for better or worse is very much in place today. You can’t deny globalism and then complain about the UK’s balance of trade, for example. The benefits may be fictional but the level of international trade, the dominance of multinational companies and the international money markets are very much fact.
I never complain about the state of the UK economy, you just have to manoeuvre within it.
A report from The DT, today:-
" A thorough comparative analysis has recently been published by Briefings for Britain (of which I am a co-editor, though not involved in this report).
Its findings have not been refuted: how could they be, as they are based on accepted official statistics? These show that, since the Brexit vote, real GDP growth in the UK has matched or exceeded that of the large EU economies: France has grown by 7.6 per cent, the UK by 6.8 per cent, Germany by 5.5 per cent, and Italy by 4 per cent.
Foreign “greenfield” investment to Britain was up by a third between 2016 and 2021, and was higher than in any of the large EU economies. Unemployment is low and while labour is scarce, it is also so elsewhere.
Remainers protest that Brexit has “cut us off” from the EU market, but in fact the research finds that UK trade with the EU has fully recovered after an initial dip. Financial services have been largely unaffected, with exports holding up and employment in the City growing. Our inflation has been similar to that of the US and the EU, and our food inflation lower.
The pound has fallen against the dollar since the start of this year, but so have the euro and especially the yen. Kwarteng’s mini-Budget caused a sharp temporary drop, but this is not a result of Brexit. The pound’s value remains close to the average level it has traded at since the end of 2008.
On the other hand, Northern Ireland’s forced membership of the single market does it no good: it is one of the slowest growing UK regions.
So what exactly would be the point of tying us again to the single market or the customs union, as Remainers want? Many Leavers were willing to accept economic damage as the price of democratic accountability. As this damage does not seem to have materialised, why on earth would they want to turn the clock back now?
Economic success or failure depend on the policies adopted by our elected governments and, so far, admittedly, they have generally been too timid and slow. But why would we give overall control to a dysfunctional EU that encourages conformity and gives no measurable economic benefit? Why would we want to tie ourselves to its military and diplomatic ambitions which have shown themselves so ineffective? Had we still been in the EU, Ukraine would probably have been defeated."
@Tedc , l await the responses of the naysayers to this article Ted !
Be interesting to see the knots they tie themselves into trying to deny it ??
It’s also interesting to note the lack of attention that the media has given it too ?
Much like the flows of unwanted people across the channel !
Am always a tad wary when anyone uses a bit of stats to try and prove a point, largely because there is usually a load of other stats around which would counter the argument.
@Donkeyman , why do you insist on trying to bring a forum taboo topic into threads?
I notice the people who make up these are mostly academics although what makes a doctor of pastoral studies an expert on economic affairs puzzles me .
And I notice, from a simple internet search, that all the other assessments of UK performance after Brexit shows it is doing worse than its peers. Lower growth, slower recovery from the pandemic, less investment, etc. So its great that someone has found one report that says the exact opposite and also makes some fantastic and unsubstantiated claims (“Had we still been in the EU, Ukraine would probably have been defeated”). Good work. And the writers of the above report have done well to be so imaginative.
You’re starting to repeat yourself.
Who knows owt, have you noticed anything different?
The Tories brought about Brexit now they have to deal with the consequences.
Whilst I’d love that to be true, and love it even more if the tories actually did something constructive about the mess that is Brexit, it does not seem likely. Their membership and many of their voters are still in thrall to the vision that was Brexit. The most the tories are going to do is push to end the NI protocol - even though most in Northern Ireland actually want to keep their expanding trade with the EU. This push to abandon the protocol is destructive rather than constructive. The only other thing they can do is find another trade deal - but apart from India they are left with small countries. So I don’t see the tories dealing effectively with the consequences of Brexit. One Telegraph article won’t be enough.
Which means it is all of us who get to put up with Brexit. By the way, where can I spend my newly improved sovereignty?
I’m basking in this sovereignty, it’s made such a difference to my life. I can’t believe we survived membership of the EU having none whatsoever.
Somebody had the cheek to point out that less than 16% of the UK’s policies and legislation was influenced or directed by the EU, what rubbish!
Of course they won’t deal with it effectively because they wanted it .
They voted in Boris confident that the selfish amoral clown would get Brexit done and not care about the consequences.
Yes, if our lot worked half as hard, to make it work, as the EU/Remainers worked to make it not work, we’d be there.
Meanwhile, we’re still buried in silly EU documents & the wording therein.
If the Civil Service don’t want it, you’re not going to get it, whoever you vote in!
Who are our lot ?
You can’t really believe that the present government represents the average Brit ?
How exactly are the ‘remainers’ making it not work ?
It’s done, and it’s a disaster .
