That’s an interesting definition - not one I’ve heard before.
Each to their own.
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What on earth are you talking about? This is the OP:
Nothing there about fishing or negotiations Assman merely a request to express the benefits gained from Brexit. If you go to the old forum site as well as some threads in this one I am sure you will find lots of posts about fishing rights so “rehashing” is the appropriate term for your off topic post.
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@ Bruce, You are correct, thanks for sorting my confusion !
My apologies to you!
Funny thing is l have a feeling it was me that created most if not al of those
fishy posts ? The tremainers have a habit of dodging the subject ??
Very good to hear the news that there is a new cooperation starting up, in Europe.
This from the DT, today:-
Looks like a very useful move:-
" At first, Liz Truss dismissed Emmanuel Macron’s plan for a new club of European nations. There are already too many such talking shops, she said: why not make them work better? But Tim Barrow, the new national security adviser, changed her mind. Isn’t Brexit all about the need to co-operate more closely as free nation states? Isn’t this Prague summit a perfect chance to do just that? If this new group didn’t exist, he said, Britain would be lobbying to create it.
So the Prime Minister flew off yesterday for her first European summit: a genuine one, with 44 members rather than the subset of 27 EU states. At first, Macron envisaged a club of liberal democracies but then decided to let in the Serbs, Turks and (worst of all) the Azerbaijanis. A motley bunch, he thought, but this is soft power. A global war of influence is being waged and if dinner in Prague Castle moves them even a few inches away from Moscow’s orbit and towards the West, that would be worthwhile.
From the British perspective all this should be seen as a bonus, even a breakthrough. The EU has been quite defensive since the Brexit vote, talking as if it is the only forum to discuss the continent’s future. Macron now accepts the EU’s limitations. Its mishandling of Turkey and Ukraine led to exasperation and disillusion – not just among prospective member states, but existing ones. The accession process is too painful, too slow. The EU was in danger of having bad relations with all its neighbours, the UK very much included.
The European Political Community is the chance for a fresh start. It’s a club with no diktats, just a forum to discuss security, migration and energy – and there’s much to discuss. The new alliance was set not so much by Macron but by the spontaneous, bottom-up reaction to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. A normally divided continent suddenly discovered how much it had in common, as nation after nation offered to take refugees and send weapons to Kyiv – even at the cost of far higher fuel bills. It was a defining European moment.
But it was not, really, an EU moment. It was Britain that led the way in arming Ukraine, and the fuel crisis now puts Norway in central focus: Europe needs it to pump and export more. Cheap Turkish drones being sold to Kyiv are proving vital to the war effort (they get shot down quickly, so cheap drones are viable in a way that pricier Western ones are not). So it matters that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is happy to keep exporting them. Ukraine has been a reminder that non-EU countries are crucial in determining European affairs."
The sort of thing that we, originally, thought we were joining up to?
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@Tedc , Thanks for that Ted ! I must admit that l was suspicious of these
moves ? But your post lays out another perspective that l hadn’t thought of!
This could be the end of the EU as we know it ??
Exactly what we wanted ?
It is also a way of saving face for both the EU and the UK over Brexit ??
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Hi
Who wanted the end of the EU?
I certainly didn’t, outside states such as the UK, should have no input at all to what the EU does.
I ed leave simpley because I didn’t want further integration and them telling the UK what to do
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Not here for sure
@ Muddy, he’s paid to say that !! 
Let’s take one paragraph.
‘ …… one vivid fact is inescapable. The future that 17 million voters bought into six years ago has now collapsed into its precise opposite. In the summer of 2016, let us not forget, Johnson, Michael Gove and the former Labour MP Gisela Stuart jointly put their names to an article in the Sun which insisted that once Brexit happened, “the NHS will be stronger, class sizes smaller and taxes lower. We’ll have more money to spend on our priorities, wages will be higher and fuel bills will be lower.”
notwithstanding that this quote was from the Sun
The paper that the Tories think that the plebs read …
Is the NHS a stronger ?
Are class sizes smaller ,/ taxes lower ?
And the biggest wishful thinking of all
Wages higher fuel bills lower ?
So what say you ?
You think he’s paid to say this .
Of course he is but it doesn’t make what he says untrue .
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That’s amazing, Politicians are usually so much more positive, honest and down to earth than that!
Excuses they lied and knew they were lying .
Maybe they were just standing too close to The Sun?
Too close to Rupert Murdoch more like .
The Sun is a sensationalist conservative rag own by Murdochs company - who also own The Times another pro Tory paper .
Murdoch has a special relationship with the Tory government .
Ian Hisop once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. “That’s easy,” he replied. “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”
On an interesting note the Sun is banned in Liverpool after the Hilsborough disaster when it wrote scurrilous reports blaming the spectators.
Remainers just want to ponce round mainland Europe without too much disruption, bugger everything else!!
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There never were any benefits, just a principle.
Two contradictory statements.
The first just an inane remark the second correct .
What is “everything else” ?
I think remainers objections were far more profound than what you suggest. I for one rarely visited mainland Europe.
What a strange and ill-thought out conclusion.
As we stumble at the brink of financial armageddon, facing national bankruptcy and the subject of global jokes still the Brexiters believe what they voted for was correct.
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Hi
Our financial Armageddon is not solely due to Brexit.
There are a couple of other reasons, Covid and the war in the Ukraine.
Both out of our control, the third reason is our dysfunctional Political system due to which we have ended up with a rogue PM in charge twice and an unelectable opposition.
We have the old fashioned Marxists and union bosses waiting in the wings when Labour get in.
We have some very reasonable, very able politicians but are seemingly only given the choice between the worst idiots we have.
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