Oh, please. Try to stay on topic…
Actually it IS on topic. It alludes to the simplicity of voter fraud when postal voting is so easy to obtain.
Come on, people. Please stay on topic.
Trump says he will leave if the electoral college votes that Biden has won. My, My My. How big of him. That’s like a man saying he will leave if his wife completes divorce proceedings.
Discussing voter fraud IS staying on topic.
We get that you don’t like the proof that it exists but - well - tough.
If it exists elsewhere you cannot seriously suggest that the USA is somehow immune.
Oh, come on ! Wake up. You spout lots of far fetched allegations but you have NOT posted a single bit of proof. Perhaps you just believe ANYTHING Trump says.
Incidentally, “proof” is NOT what Trump says it is. Proof is NOT what Trump’s lawyers say it is. Proof is not what some lunatic says it is.
Proof can only come from when a court of law determines that there has been wide-spread voter fraud. However, even that is still subject to what a higher court determines.
Wake the ****ing hell up !
It’s typical of the socialists, they will do anything to achieve their ideological goal. They should be reminded of all the court cases that were held regarding Trumps Russian and Ukraine involvement. They were only too keen to have the truth exposed in those cases and proved in a court, complete with impeachment and a public humiliation of the president. Unfortunately for them, their lies got exposed and the whole thing blew up in their faces.
Here we are again but now the shoe is on the other foot. What do the democrats do ? They run away, put their fingers in their ears and abandon their principles of proof, evidence and truth, all in the name of their ideology.
If Biden takes the Presidency, the electoral system will be rigged forever. The run offs in January will see the Democrats take the Senate and then there will be no stopping them destroying the country in the name of socialism. They even use the phrase “let’s do this again” and even in the election, Biden used the term “the process is working”, that should be enough on its own to raise alarm bells.
If you look at what happened in Venezuela… it will happen in the USA as well.
I just hope that the democrats get exposed for their fraud and the western world can then breathe a sigh of relief as socialism crawls back under its ugly rock for at least another generation.
Your getting more hysterical by the day, if you were so convinced Biden had won you wouldn’t be posting on here, twisting peoples words and calling people names.
Dead people don’t vote - fact
You can’t have more votes than voters - fact
^^ just two examples - so go and explain them if you can ?
I bet you won’t though , because like every question you get, you can’t answer it. That should be enough to convince you something isn’t right about Bidens fake victory.
Unless of course, you want to answer questions and have a grown up discussion.
I won’t hold my breath.
None of us know what the truth is, but we continue the discussion.
If we wait till the USA declare who the elected president is, will we still argue that they must have got it wrong?
I recall that many Remainers did exactly that when there was no question about the result on the Brexit vote! :roll:
Nobody here is going to make any difference to what the USA decide and, just like Brexit, the arguments are getting boring.
If we have nothing better to discuss perhaps we could have a poll to see how many members think Trump can still win and then wait for the official decision!
Now that’s what I call a good idea … 
I’m not the one trying to prove the election was rigged. I believe the results as they stand. YOU are the one who is claiming the election is rigged. SO, I ask again. Where is your proof ?
Just for general information, I always try to stand up for reality. Example: When some fool says that the German holocaust never happened, I always attempt to get him/her to see the truth. Unfortunately, I sometimes fail. A fool is a fool, whether we are taking about the German holocaust or ridiculous claims of voter fraud.
You have made some outlandish claims. Back it up with proof.
Um, only the courts can decide whether or not allegations amount to proof so until that happens (if indeed it happens) what you ask for is impossible to provide.
It’s not for me (or you) to say fraud has or has not happened, but from past experience you can’t deny that it is likely.
All that remains is how much fraud there has been this time around - if it ever gets investigated, of course.
But here is proof from your own country of known and prosecuted cases, proving that it does happen.
You might like to note that the foreword says this:
“The United States has a long and unfortunate history of election fraud.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf
There have been audits that have found fraud in the past. A past that elected Trump too.
There’s absolutely no evidence that this election has a higher fraud level than in previous elections. It’s just wishful thinking on the part of the losing side. They have no evidence that all these extra voters they have found were democrat. That’s just wishful thinking again. Alaska had 1m more voters than those registered and yet Trump won.
1st, I never suggested that some small cases of voter fraud has not/does not exist in the U.S. Every educated person knows full well that has happened throughout history.
2nd, the larger question is this, ‘Did voter fraud happen on a massive scale which would be enough to tilt an election in favor of any particular candidate ?’
3rd, I have no doubt, what-so-ever, that some pro-Trump voters voted twice, as well as Biden voters. The same applies to cases of “dead people” voting. It is quite clear that some folks have gotten ahold of ballots for the recently dead, forged a signature and mailed that ballot in.
4th, THE LIST OF CASES YOU POSTED ARE CASES OF INDIVIDUAL VOTERS AND NOT CASES WHERE SOMEONE/SOME GROUP HAS SENT IN THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PHONEY BALLOTS. TRUMP IS CLAIMING THAT MILLIONS OF PHONEY BALLOTS WERE SENT IN. THAT IS ABSURD ON THE FACE OF IT, AND NO TRUMP ATTORNEY HAS YET TO SHOW EVIDENCE OF EVEN A DOZEN PHONEY BALLOTS.
5th, Recent history has demonstrated that certain minority groups have failed vote en mass. Thus, a massive “get out the vote” was launched and mail in ballot voting was started. example: in the 2000 presidential campaign (Bush Vs. Gore) Bush won Florida and the NATIONAL election by a slim margin. That year well over 250,000 Florida black voters, failed to vote. It is well established that black voters overwhelmingly vote democratic. Had those voters actually voted in Florida, Gore would have won and history would have taken a dramatic turn.
In the Pennsylvania election, Trump was trying to disenfranchise black voters by disallowing mail-in ballots. The federal court in Pennsylvania essentially told Trumps attorneys that what Trump was trying to do was utter B.S.
The only certainties that have emerged is that the American presidential election is at least unreliable and more likely corrupt. That the America is in the process of disintegrating as a single nation, and that the real difference between Trump and the Biden farce is about trying to restore the intent on nation restoration on the one hand and promoting ANTIFA and all the horrors and crime that hide behind it.
IMO the outcome is that with Biden the wrong side has won.
Time will tell but the future for the decent American population is that that the good guys are going to be losing out.
The future is looking very black indeed.
If unreliable and corrupt then why do you think it was different 4 years ago? He skating on thin ice by questioning the integrity of a system that brought him into office.
It may look like it from afar, but I have complete faith in the American system of democracy. No doubt that there have been, and will continue to be, bumps in the road. However, there are three great bulwarks of American democracy: The U.S. Constitution, The United States Supreme Court and the American people. Occasionally, the American people get it wrong, BUT in the long run it gets straightened out. Hell, I voted for Trump in 2016 because I liked his talk about building a Southern wall and “draining the swamp”. However, in reality Trump turned out to be extremely divisive for the American people, AND perhaps most importantly, told an unbelievable number of outright lies.
In my opinion, Trump does not think of himself as president, but rather as a king who has a divine right to rule over us.
Am I really happy with Joe Biden ? No, absolutely not. But he has one tremendous thing going for him. He is not Trump and that is why so many people voted Trump out of office. Even many, many middle of the road republican’s, like me, voted for Biden.
Exactly! Many in the world are heaving a sigh of relief that normality is returning even if the politics may not be to one’s taste, at least it’s a grown up.
True … 
Hypothetically, if fraud is shown to have taken place, then why is it fair to assume that only the democrats benefited from it? Is it not equally as likely that the republicans also had gained spurious votes, which might actually have made Trump look more popular than he actually was?