Aren't you glad now that we left the EU?

Bread I have flagged your last post .
Twisting words to suit your narrative is a dishonest way of discussion
Please desist .

Talk about rewriting history. :grinning:

Both Stalin and Hitler would be impressed. :slightly_smiling_face:

Not interested or about to waste my time on you or your rants anymore Bread.
So I’ll get back to just reading and enjoying the discussion.

Obama was a disaster as well. Name 3 things he achieved in his 2 terms as president with his VP Joe Biden.

(and don’t include Biden holding the record for dropping more bombs on people either - that level of murdering is hardly an achievement).

Hitler was a socialist, so was Stalin.

Fair enough.

Do you still think we should have sacked 100,000 NHS workers though or have you changed your mind ?

Shouldn’t have employed them in the first place.

It’s a huge list to type out, so I’ll just link it…

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Not really, and I wasn’t talking about their politics, but their methods. They made claims that bore no resemblance to reality, just like you do. :102:

I repeat …

He sold out the auto industry and just about everything else to china including steel manufacturing and Obamacare was the biggest disaster in health care the USA has ever seen.

The other 26 achievements are nothing short of a joke for an incumbent president serving for 2 terms in the White House. I’ve provided a quick summary. Note, nothing here says record jobs, record economy, record reductions in illegal immigration etc like what Trump achieved.

1 – Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

This took 6 years !!!

2 – Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

This was a complete disaster and the pre-existing medical conditions clause made health care unaffordable for the poor and the most vulnerable in the USA.

3 – Ended the war in Iraq

Really ? He reversed the decision in 2015, caused the rise of ISIS and holds the record for dropping the most bombs on the Middle East in history.

4 – Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

No - that was George Bush

5 – Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

And destroyed the economy at the same time, selling out manufacturing to China

6 – Supported the LGBT community’s fight for marriage equality

Hardly earth shattering.

7 – Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse “unjust and outdated prison sentences"

Making the USA less safe and increasing drug crime

8 – Saved the U.S. auto industry

By selling it off to China ?

9 – Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020

Unachieved by Biden, achieved by Trump and destroyed by Biden

10 – Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

Continued under a controlled withdrawal under Trump and then the complete disaster under Biden resulting in the return of the Taliban, reversal of women rights and arming the Taliban with more Black Hawk helicopters than the UK

11 – Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

Making illegal immigration illegal and costing Clinton the best part of her election campaign because this was one of the main issues facing Americans in the 2020 election, caused by Obama

12 –Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector

Nobody has heard of this.

13 – Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent
50% is not a great achievement especially when they then no longer qualified for health insurance

14 – Reversed Bush-era torture policies
… they still go on.

15 – Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba
Sympathising with terrorist sponsors

16 – Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding
While denying them healthcare

17 – Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act
Fair enough, although this was a world wide initiative

18 – Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars
This is not a big achievement

19 – Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act
Fair enough
Which was watered down and includes mostly unhealthy junk food.

20 – Repealed the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell" policy
Not a great policy in the first place to be honest.

21 – Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification
Debatable whether this actually has made a huge difference.

22 – Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal
Complete disaster - Iran had been supplying enriched uranium to North Korea as part of that deal

23 – He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women
This has done nothing and the fair pay act is silly anyway. We have the same issue over here, the problem is that womens pay is not linked to mysoginistic employers (mainly) women are paid less than men for a whole range of other reasons.

24 – Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as a justice

This is not an achievement, if you believe in equality this would not be a headline.

25 – Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill
The GI Bill has been going since 1944. This is not an achievement.

26 – Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"

Really ? He dropped more bombs on people than any other president.

27 – Launched My Brother’s Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential

Massively underfunded and didn’t deliver the objectives.

28 – Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer

He lifted the limit on funding stem cell research - hardly earth shattering.

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See Morty, thats the problem.

You don’t know when your wrong.

Who’s been a busy little boy, then?

Did you find all this rubbish in one place, or have you had to compile it yourself? :thinking:

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But we all know when you are. :slightly_smiling_face:

As an unbiassed observer, I note that there have been unpleasant, Barbed, comments to, almost, every Bread post, in this topic.

Not very grown up!

I have flagged this post as I don’t see the tone improving.

Sad to have to do so.

What a responsible course of action, Ted, how very grown up of you. :slightly_smiling_face:

Actually, Ted, you didn’t have to do it, so if it is now making you sad, you have only yourself to blame. :102:

If Hitler was a socialist, he’d then be like our current chancellor Olaf Scholz who also is a socialist? Clearly, something is wrong here. Hitler never was a socialist nor was Stalin.

Hi

My last post has disappeared, which I find very surprising, but there we go.

I agree with Morti, who is much more eloquent than me.

I do hope that her post is not deleted.

Who deleted it?
Maybe it was a blip, try posting it again, I’m always interested to read what you have to say