I just don’t get it. When yeast cells reach 130-140 F they die. So, I don’t see how dead cells can ferment.
If I have some strange bacterial infection, I think that the bacteria can ferment nearly anything.
Even plain boiled potatoes, plus bacteria, can ferment, as in whiskey.
heaven knows I produce MASSIVE amounts of flatulence.
My clinic is requiring that I do as much as possible via clinic emails. I have sent in a request to see a nutritionist/dietician.
Sorry it’s so long… but hope to give some insight for you to take on board.
Bakerman, I think you need to knuckle down with regard to possible allergies/food intolerances if the medics have found nothing wrong with your gut. It’s up to you if you DIY or seek out specialists in that field.
I suffer with allergies to various things and also food intolerances - nothing life threatening, just inconvenient and unpleasant sometimes. Bloating, diarrhoea, rhinitis, sinusitis, migraines, facial swellings especially around the eyes, rashes over my body, mood changes… so much more. It’s 2021 now, so that’s 50yrs of playing with trying to control it all (or not at the moment). Sometimes I’m prepared to eat something that gives me problems just for the enjoyment of the food and to hell with the consequences. :-p
You’re in a far better position now, with the days of the internet for research purposes, than I ever was in the 70s when there wasn’t that facility. Also in those days alternative ingredients were very hard to come by whereas today it’s easy peasy. You have no excuses, so get on it if you can be bothered - it’s your decision.
A particular book that was a godsend for me is ‘The Allergy Diet and how to overcome your food intolerance’. Written by John Hunter, Consultant Physician and his team at the Gastroenterology Unit, Addenbrooke’s Hospital Cambridge. He’s a recognised authority on the subject of food allergy/intolerances and gut diseases. It’s dated 1984 and I know it’s been updated since then. It takes you through everything ie the exclusion diet, reintroducing foods and includes various recipes for those with intolerances to particular foods. What his updated version includes I’ve no idea, but it has to better and more informed than my copy from the 80s.
I’ve spotted too that he’s also written a book specifically for IBS. Goes without saying that nutritional needs are taken into account with these sorts of books, so no worries about starving your body of what it needs.
I’ve included a mishmash from that book here:
Treatment by diet seems to be the far best way to calm an irritable bowel. It’s not easy and time consuming. Problems vary from person to person and discovering the true culprits can be very time consuming and difficult.
Excluding food may be hard to start with but the test period is relatively short ie 2 weeks.
ANY food/foodstuffs can produce symptoms, although some do it more frequently than others ie Cereals (wheat, corn, oats, rye, barley, rice), Dairy, Eggs, Fish, Meat, Fruit, Veg, tea, coffee, nuts, chocolate, preservatives, yeast, sugar cane, sugar beet, alcohol, saccharin, honey. Then there’s food additives, preservatives, colourings - even some medicines.
Some foods contain salicylates which are natural chemicals similar to aspirin. Foods containing salicylates may also cause symptoms ie apples, bananas, blueberries, beer, cider, grapes, liquorice, peas, plums, prunes, red wine, rhubarb, strawberries.
An exclusion diet is usually for 2 weeks. THREE DAYS BEFORE STARTING THE DIET you must record all the symptoms you have had and when, to help judge the value of the diet later on.
You should find you steadily improve during the 2nd week. Any unexpected setbacks at this time will probably be caused by one of the foods eaten in the previous 24hrs.
If after 2 weeks your symptoms haven’t improved, it is likely food intolerance is not the cause of your problems.
Reintroducing foods:
How you begin reintroducing foods depends on which condition you have. For IBS it’s believed that ONE FOOD should be reintroduced every 2 DAYS.
There’s a set number of foods to reintroduce and the order of those foods. Some foods are made up of more than one ingredient for example in bread and wine. Test the ingredient concerned before trying the food ie test yeast before bread or wine otherwise if a reaction occurs, you will not know which ingredient caused it.
Flush out the chemicals in your system produced by the food reaction by drinking plenty of water. Some people find that adding a little bicarb of soda increases the effectiveness of this. Don’t take pills to relieve any symptoms as they confuses matters. Aspirin and paracetamol contain wheat and corn starches.
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Basically, you need to do an Exclusion Diet for 2 weeks, then reintroduce foods over periods of time recording what you eat and how it affects you. It takes 2/3mths to find what might be affecting you.
Regarding probiotics, they’ve really helped my guts. Incidentally, stress and how it affects our bodies can also play a part in gut health.
Hope this is of some help 'cos it took a bloody long time to check my books and put it all down for you :-p
Very interesting piece Pesta. Thanks for taking the time to post it…
And thank you for taking the time to thank me FoxyLoxy :-p
thank you, Pesta. I really appreciate all the trouble you went to to write up that fine bit of advise.
I wonder if it is possible to suddenly develop a food allergy that has never given me a problem in the past ???
Thank you Bakerman and yes most definitely so. That’s how it all begins.
I’ve rationalised it over the years. It’s in my family as far back as my grandfather being allergic to eggs which started when he was a young adult.
Over the years too many additives have been added to foods, ‘hybrid foods’, pollution, the list is endless.
Nothing is ‘clean food’ any more in my view and it will only get worse over the years to come with more people being allergic/sensitive to foodstuffs simply because it’s full of crap.
I suffered with IBS…I had the camera up my rectum…it was stress related…I overcame my stress, and haven’t suffered with it for yrs.
Yes, I agree. It could be almost anything. However, I’m mighty curious about why, as soon as I moved from The Philippines, to Mexico, it started. Of course, that could be just a coincidence. Queer, none the less.
How are you doing Bakerman .
Started that nice bland diet yet ?
Perhaps it could be the tapwater?
I agree with Pesta about grains. Gluten is hard to digest and can cause chronic diarrhoea. Many grains are contaminated with gluten. The increase in gluten intolerance has something to do with the way they have modified wheat farming to increase individual sheaf yield over time. They think ancient grains are better for you.
Same thought crossed my mind too, Annie.
Could explain why it began after moving to a new area.
Indeed and I remember holidays years ago to places where they didn’t have the same water standards as the UK… In the 80s I think it was just Germany that had similarly clean water. In Italy we were advised to rinse with mineral water after brushing our teeth. Perhaps that’s why mineral water was always so popular in the Med. But the digestive systems of locals adapted. Albufeira used to have a raw sewage pipe going right into the sea on its main tourist beach.
Bakerman, Candida is the problem, read this…
Candida is a genus of yeast that naturally occurs in the intestines, on the skin, and in mucous membranes. Most people have some level of Candida throughout the body. It’s usually harmless. However, an overgrowth of Candida can lead to an infection called candidiasis
Adding too much yeast or sugar can cause the Candidiasis infection and Pro-biotics help to cure the infection.
These are not my ideas, they came from doctors and medically trained dieticians… I just throught it may help!
How long have you been in Mexico Bakerman .
If you have been there a long time I would imagine your gut will have adjusted to the water by now .
That rang a bell with me. Bakerman’s asked about the quality of his water before, so I went routing back and found this thread from July 2020:
Bakerman, I’m amazed reading through that thread and remembering other occasions you’ve mentioned your gut problem that we seem to be discussing possibilities for your problem over and over again and yet you don’t seem to be doing anything.
In fact I feel a plonker spending so much time trundling through my books trying to help when you seem to know the answers but do diddly squat about it!
I’m sure others must feel the same having put themselves out for you too.
If you don’t want to make the effort, that’s fine, just don’t keep asking for opinions of your gut problems.
That saying ‘You can’t help someone if they can’t help themselves’ comes to mind.
Wise words Pesta! I had forgotten that there had been a previous thread, on this topic, that some of us had already given advice on !
I have started including Yakult in my daily diet. Does not yet have any effect. However, Yoplait, does quieten my stomach. A lot less rumbling and less cramping.
Sometimes I feel as if I’m running my own personal fermentation vat in my guts. Also, tried Pepto-Bismol once again. I’ve tried it many times previously.
PS: It’s not that I am unwilling to do anything to help myself, but the Dr says nothing I can do as a home remedy will be of any benefit. Also, he has performed numerous surgical tests. Camera up the bum 3 different times. Camera into stomach twice. Camera pill with electronic belt , once. And so many stools samples .
I have tried and tried to get an appoint to see a dietician, at my clinic but , as usual, no reply from them.
Sans any professional help, I think that the way to proceed is to take massive amounts of enteric coated anti-biotics and to kill off all bacteria, both good and bad, then start from scratch building up good bacteria with pro-biotics.
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Locally, the pharmacies here in Mexico will give nearly anything you ask for, even without a Rx. I will be searching for Xifaxan here locally. 550 mg/day X 4 days.
When I was a child, I nearly died from starvation. At age 16 I was 190 cm tall and only 45 kilo. I vowed I would never , ever be hungry again. I have a fear of starving. horrible way to live. Maybe that’s why I became a chef ? It now looks like I’ll end up the way I started … starving. Maybe I can kill the unknown bacteria before I kill myself from lack of food.
You are edging Bakerman not snacking on spicy Mexican Chiladas are you 
You don’t need a dietician they will only tell you the same as we have .
Give your poor old intestines a rest and hit the white rice .
You are man now stop feeding that inner starving child !
