Americans and their numbers problems

From my post above yours. The high cost of those executions were for just the executions, not the legal costs. Adding the legal costs would have been much higher. The costs were for transport and training people to execute the people.

From the article:

Studies show no link between the presence or absence of the death penalty and murder rates.

OK, but this isn’t related to cost. This is a moral argument, maybe for another thread.

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Well, that should shut up the “I object to paying for murders to live in luxury.” mob

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Why is the death penalty so expensive?

  • Legal costs: Almost all people who face the death penalty cannot afford their own attorney. The state must assign public defenders or court-appointed lawyers to represent them (the accepted practice is to assign two lawyers), and pay for the costs of the prosecution as well.

  • Pre-trial costs: Capital cases are far more complicated than non-capital cases and take longer to go to trial. Experts will probably be needed on forensic evidence, mental health, and the background and life history of the defendant. County taxpayers pick up the costs of added security and longer pre-trial detention.

  • Jury selection: Because of the need to question jurors thoroughly on their views about the death penalty, jury selection in capital cases is much more time consuming and expensive.

  • Trial: Death-penalty trials can last more than four times longer than non-capital trials, requiring juror and attorney compensation, in addition to court personnel and other related costs.

  • Incarceration: Most death rows involve solitary confinement in a special facility. These require more security and other accommodations as the prisoners are kept for 23 hours a day in their cells.

  • Appeals: To minimize mistakes, every prisoner is entitled to a series of appeals. The costs are borne at taxpayers’ expense. These appeals are essential because some inmates have come within hours of execution before evidence was uncovered proving their innocence.

As I said the chemicals aren’t that costly.
Training - you push a button or 2 and training happens only when a new person is involved.
the argument of transporting staff and hotels …etc. Could be cut out.
Let’s face it in this country we make it expensive to execute someone. Really expensive.
The truth is we feel there is never a good reason to kill someone regardless of what they have done. We feel that killing them, somehow lessens us. If you’re guilty of a heinous crime and deserve the death penalty because you pose a threat to society, you should never make it past the back of the court house, because sentence carried out right after court. No muss no fuss. Costs maybe $1.38 for the bullet. Would innocent people be killed by mistake, hell we do that now. I guarantee that if you knew for a fact that if you took another’s life, that you own was now forfeit murders and others might think an action through…
Besides it looks as though your example is only Indiana.

Total Death Row Inmates Average Time from Sentence to Execution
2016 2,814 17 years 0 months
2017 2,703 20 years 3 months
2018 2,628 19 years 10 months
2019 2,570 **22 years

Based on FY 2016 and FY 2017 data, the fee to cover the average cost of incarceration for Federal inmates was $34,704.12
$89,189,280.00 to house 2570 people for 22 years.

This entire issue is morally and ethically related in all aspects. That would be like discussing ice, but saving the fact that it is cold for another thread. Being realistic not trying to be an smartass.

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I hate the way Americans brazenly demand tips as their right .
I tip for good service not because someone shoves their hand out for doing practically nothing .
Actually I don’t rate American service that great anyway .

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I think tipping is an antiquated way of paying someone. One of the biggest gripes in the US starting back after COVID is that waiters (male/female) get paid next to nothing and are expected to make up the extra income in tips. Since tips are hit and miss this is a stupid way to (not) pay people. I believe the restaurants and other food establishments should just pay their people a decent wage and cut tipping out completely.

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I noticed that they all started with 5-5-5

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They now have designated numbers they can use in movies and TV. The reason being the song Jenny. 867-5309 got called so much in each and every area code it was funny. Now Movies and TV have a set of made up numbers they can use. Otherwise every time they showed a phone number if it was real, well you can imagine. :smiley: :smiley:

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That’s really interesting!

Thanks for sharing :slightly_smiling_face:

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nicer than 6 6 6

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So what about this numbers thread…
How do others cope with spam phone calls.
We have had issues right now as the company that helps cut back on the amount of calls is closed for maintenance…great that…notwithstanding it is against the law here to phone a house to sell or promote your services/goods, without having a yes say so prior…happens still though and the answerphone is our saviour…
Think it was Annie said we show Euros and Francs…only a few do and one was Leclerc a huge chain of supermarkets and one of the best all rounders…Can’t say I have noticed of late though…
This is a Country of showing Patience…, even when your insides are doing a headbanger impression…
I have to write some cheques as a few cannot take a card payment. The nurse that comes to our house for our blood tests or say flu jabs, she needs a cheque…If the card machine in store wont except a card, then we use a cheque, simple. Just need to remember though a cheque lost here can be easily used by anybody…just like cash in other words…
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Need to mention the .99p
I started a clothes party business guess was the 80’s…everything ended in .99p and after some years made a plan as I was aware that it was mentioned one time to often…
I changed everything to round numbers…£10.00,£20.00, went down well, and can say it did not affect the £ in your pocket…Harold Wilson saying, explanation for Danny’s benefit…

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Another little tidbit. The phone company (for the US in it’s entirety) had to remove all numbers in all area codes that were 867-5309. Now that number is considered defuncted. Because of a song. :smiley: :smiley:

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That’s an interesting fact!

Which song Danny :grinning:

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I’ll have to access it directly on YouTube! Thanks Danny :slightly_smiling_face:

Update: that’s a great song :grinning:

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The issue was length of incarceration and the costs as an example of Americans and their numbers problems. The death penalty was just used as a comparison of costs. The rest of the discussion is not relevant.

What about Pennsylvania 6-5000? or is that a post code?

A curious thing about the USA is house numbers I have a friend who lives in Dallas his house number is something like 2234, it must be a hell of a street to have over two thousand houses in it.

The highest number I have lived in was 227 but I have lived in houses with numbers like 1, 127, 16A, 32 etc but nothing even close to a thousand.

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LMAO

  1. Pennsylvania 6-5000 (no clue)
  2. 2234 usually means the address is between 22 and 23 Street or Ave. the 34 well that’s the house number but it doesn’t necessarily mean there are 2,234 houses there nor even 34 houses. The only thing consistent in the US in my travels is that every town has a Main Street (named such) usually a Broadway Street or Ave. and streets named for most trees. Also house numbers run even on one side and odd on the other. As far as the number itself I have no clue if there is even a system, to the numbers that is.