I am actually more concerned about what the Labour party left out of their manifesto. Scrapping the WFA was announced just 4 days after they took power - I don’t think anyone doubts that was their intention all along but they failed to mention it in any of their political broadcasts.
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I thought for a minute that you were proposing to verify your claims … then I realised you were confirming that you were not going to do that. This also confirms that you did no checks before making your false claim. Which is a bit poor. And no correction afterwards either.
Meanwhile, this is an informed statement and identifies a key issue. Not only did they omit to mention something they doubtless intended to do anyway, they forgot to check how this would be received. They failed to prepare the ground work through opinion pieces about rich people buying cases of claret with their winter fuel allowance. Worse, much worse, they did not make efforts to inform pensioners who could quality for support - and encourage them to sign up for support so that their fuel allowance could continue. Poor effort all round.
But compare it to the last government which went through many changes of prime minister with no reference back to the public and definitely not something in any manifesto. That seems an even worse taking for granted or slight of hand than the Labour government has managed so far.
You think when Starmer is finally forced out the Labour party will hold a countrywide election for his replacement?
Hey, that’s out of order!
I have not “glossed over” anything. I have given unbiased actual figures and percentages of petitioners / registered voters for folk to draw their own conclusions – don’t shoot the Messenger! – it is not my fault if the actual figures do not fit in with your own biased narrative. 
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But your figures fail to mention the many disgruntled people who just didn’t sign the petition but agreed with it, so I take that as an attempt to discredit my comments by quoting figures and party affiliations based on somebody else’s estimates…which is basically what they are. However, the signatures on a petition are fact, over 3 million…
Surely they, and those that didn’t vote at the election, don’t count. If they can’t be bothered why are they counted? Same as people who whinge about their pollies but do absolutely nothing about it, not even just taking the simple task of writing to them - far more effective than signing an online petition.
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Nice try! - but the only figures I quoted can be checked out from official sources (i.e. the U.K. population, the number of registered voters and the number of people signing up to the petition)
I did not quote any figures regarding party affiliates and I haven’t seen any figures of that kind - neither did I make any comment or estimate about how many people may be disgruntled but did not sign the petition - that would enter into the territory of guesswork!
I’ve never been an advocate of glossing over factual information to suit my own narrative.
Michael Amesbury a perfect example of rotten to the core Labour. Now standing as an Independent since pleading guilty to assaulting a constituent. A thug so should go to prison and be kicked out of politics.
If only the policies had so much punch 
Ditto, a union man who should not be allowed to continue as an MP, should be recalled. Unlikely to do the honourable thing and resign.
Only alledged at yhe moment.
Ivor Caplin stood down from being an MP 20 years ago.
As far as I know, he is just a private citizen now and doesn’t have any role in Parliament or in Government.
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20 years ago.
Thats about when the Rotherham story broke.
I thought Ivor Caplin was from way down South - Brighton area and was MP for Hove - does he have any connection with Rotherham?
Wasn’t it his stance on the war in Iraq which made him unpopular with anti-war protesters and his constituents?
I thought he stood down because he realised he wasn’t likely to win the election.
Lots of people do write to their politicians Bruce, but it receives the same response as the petition.
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But this is a forum Boot not an official site and it’s nice to hear peoples personal opinions and experiences, not just a ream of official figures. We all can look on wiki or u gov sites and find the info if we wanted to.
And a lot of info included in my posts are from local personal experience (Lincs) how could I possible produce facts from events that happened over the 74 years of my life. It doesn’t make them less worthy of posting on a forum for people of a certain age. You probably read the same news as I do, but interpret it different.
It is a forum, Foxy - and folk do post as they see things - but you must remember that I have never denied you from posting your opinion - and it was You who accused Me of glossing over facts! - It seems to me that you are now trying to gloss over the facts yourself - just cos you’re 5 years older than me doesn’t give you the right to play the “experience of age card” , you wily old Fox! 
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Sadly, grooming and sexual exploitation of children has been happening all over the country for many years.
Is there any reason to think the grooming gangs in Brighton and Hove are linked to those in Rotherham?
i thought that link you posted was about grooming girls for sex in Brighton and Hove.
The Rotherham grooming gang seemed to focus on grooming girls too.
I haven’t seen any indication that the Rotherham gang involved sexual exploitation of boys.
I thought the allegations against Ivor Caplin allegedly involved sexual exploitation of a 15 year old boy.
All of these sexual exploiters of children are disgusting creatures who deserve to be kept away from children and brought to justice - but I cannot see how someone who used to be an MP 20 years ago who has recently been accused of a crime of child sex abuse should impact on the current government, which he has never served in.
This thread is about a petition for general election because of lack of support for the CURRENT GOVERNMENT - I just don’t get why alleged recent crimes of someone who has not been an MP for 20 years ago is relevant.
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Avoiding democracy, reorganise after the local May elections, further undermines the democratic right and people can see this is wrong. This ploy will backfire, hiding from the voter, unfair and unwise. Eleven million people are furious. None of Labour legislation is democratic and if the situation were not so dire they would be gong ahead. Odds on that Chancellor will be the scapegoat for the PM.
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