A lot of owners are going to find that they don’t have the TPM standard for W11.
So, there might be a costly barrier to getting there!
Surely MS would not do this to make you buy a later PC/Laptop?
It won’t work. Windows 10 will be receiving updates until 2025, so I read. Our existing computers will do until then.
One of the computers in an Intel NUC that uses BIOS rather than UEFI, so I don’t think much can be done there. Another computer uses UEFI but is fairly old nonetheless. I looked into the UEFI settings (Asrock motherboard) but it has no TPM on/off option that I can find. We have an older Surface Pro that might be OK.
A pity because I like to keep up out of interest.
Forget W11, no doubt there is already a W12 and a W13 in the pipeline.
I agree. Anything that can be useful will cost money.
There are some workarounds out there already.
Time, for me, to start looking at new motherboards & cases.
Sad that the old “Computer Fair” seems to have disappeared, so the bits will have to be found on line.
But I look forward to having a project, to fill the time, although it may be two, or more, years before 11 kicks in properly.
Windows 11: what you need to know
https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/07/windows-11-everything-you-need-to-know/ - Which?
It’s the biggest update to Windows since 2015, but is it worth getting excited over?
Windows 11 has been announced and will be available at the end of the year. We take you through the most important questions. The prospect of an entirely new operating system can be a bit stressful; you don’t know what’s going to happen to your files and programs and you might wonder whether your computer will become more difficult to use.
Windows 11 doesn’t have an ‘official’ launch date yet, although various clues in Microsoft’s launch presentation has suggested a date in October, likely the 20th. This will no doubt be confirmed nearer the time when Microsoft thinks it is ready to launch.
Windows 11 is an optional update, but if there aren’t any features you’re interested in, or just want to keep things the way they are, you’re under no obligation to update.
Some new features include:
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[]New Start menu
[]Widgets
[]Snap
[]App store
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It’s looking increasingly likely that I won’t bother with the “upgrade” … 
I won’t bother because although I have discovered one of my computers does have the required TPM 2.0, it doesn’t have a new enough processor. There’s no way I’m going to buy a new computer or a better processor (if that’s possible) just so I can upgrade a computer that’s running perfectly well on Windows 10.
If MS drops the processor requirement, I’ll reconsider.
Windows 10 comes loaded with stuff I’m not interested in:
Games
Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint etc)
Photo viewers and editors
I prefer Freeware
I’ve just looked I’ve got 125 Apps, Bonjour, Cortana, Energy Star, Money, Weather …
All I want to do in store photo, surf the net and use half dozen freeware progs. W11 is gonna come loaded with a whole lot more MS rubbish, for sure. 
Perhaps I should listen to sites like this: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-windows-programs-uninstall/
and delete most of it.
Good post, Keezoy!
I have to keep reminding myself that these giant companies are not, always, focussed on the everyday person.
It’s much more, in my opinion, aimed at the big Company user & keeping those companies close by introducing all sorts of stuff that pensioners. liker me, will neither want nor need.
I hear that a lot of companies are changing their pcs/lappies every 3 years or so!
All they have to worry about is them buying the ones with their products on!
Trouble is, where is their competition?
Apple (well liked but more expensive), Freebie package Companies? - (probably not for the big boys.)
Ah, they got something right at last!
I shall not be ‘upgrading’ either.
Does it? Mine doesn’t. I had to load that myself from an old CD.
Yep, same here JB.
My windows 10 came loaded with ‘Excel 360’ I think it was, and you could use it free for a period of time until it became subscription only, and the worst thing was, you had to supply your card details so they could automatically direct debit you when the trial period ended and you had forgot all about it…
I will use Windows 10 until they stop providing updates or I buy a new computer. If I had my way I’d still run windows 98 no unnecessary bs attached that I have to uninstall and not a resource hog.
I’ve always avoided Crapple computers, mainly because they’re so expensive.
However, the more Micro$oft demand control and want to keep changing things, the more attractive Apple becomes.
I’d like to know whether Apple laptops can run software initially intended for Windows, such as Photoshop and TurboCAD, and even MS Office.
Does anyone know?
There is some info here:-
https://www.howtogeek.com/701733/can-you-run-windows-software-on-an-m1-mac/
Apparently, a Windows PC can run Mac stuff.
The other way round is not so simple.
Anyway, Why would anyone pay double for a Mac and then run it like a Windows PC?
There must have been elderly people who had been brought up with the earliest of Windows graphical interface computers and even computers before that with no graphical interface at all. Years later, along comes Windows 95, XP and Windows 7 they have to get to grips with and hating it. That’s our situation now with the latest operating systems. I think this will always be the case. I don’t think we’d be all that happy if Windows had stayed the same as it was in its very early days.
MS want to promote their products and so include software on computers that isn’t likely to be used by many. I know this inclusion is a popular definition of bloat. I don’t think it is though. All these programs do is take up some disk space and that’s usually pretty plentiful these days. They don’t slow the computer down because they aren’t actively running. Anyway, much of this unwanted software can be easily uninstalled if it’s found annoying, even if it is harmless enough.
I’d only class bloat as something unnecessarily taking up processor cycles and memory that can’t be turned off. This would slow things down but I think MS has got a fairly good handle on this. The only processes running that can’t be turned off are those essential to the running of the computer. For those that aren’t essential, on/off switches are provided in the settings. The services needed or not needed can be chosen.
Windows 10 is a good OS in my opinion. It looks at present as if I won’t be able to run Windows 11 to see what that’s like.
Thanks for your help.
However, I wasn’t considering the ability to run Windows itself on a Mac. Rather some software which I presently run on Windows: specifically Photoshop Elements and TurboCAD, both of which I use quite a lot.
If it isn’t possible to do that, I suppose there is another option, which I have previously considered.
I could use my present laptop to run those programmes using Windows 10, but remove any ability to connect to the Internet. That would prevent MS attempting to ‘update’ my OS and also any ‘nasties’ trying to invade the computer.
I’d buy another computer, perhaps running Linux, for Internet access.
To Check whether your processor is compatible, with Windows 11, you can do this:-
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Go into Control Panel, then System, write down the make and model of your processor. For example, this one is Intel Core™i5-4590S 3 gHz.
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Check the list to see if you’re in or not.
Intel Processors:- Windows Processor Requirements Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors | Microsoft Docs
AMD Processors:- Windows Processor Requirements Windows 11 Supported AMD Processors | Microsoft Docs
If you are not in the list, your PC is not compatible - however, word had it that MS might change the lists, somewhat, in due course - so don’t panic yet!